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Psyche Displacement versus Sublimation

A 36-year-old man with a history of depression is laid off from work. That evening he goes to the gym and plays a particularly vigorous game of basketball.

Which defense mechanism is being used by this man?
a) displacement
b) sublimation

Which one, and why? Thanks!
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This is probably sublamation, because he transformed all his anger to a socially acceptable action. Displacement would be more like the employee got home and fired the security or came home and got angry at his wife not acceptable really but understandable action... I hope this helps
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I understood sublimation as taking an unacceptable drive and turning it into something acceptable (but related). I always thought it was something like if you had a desire to hit someone (unacceptable), you channel it into something acceptable (e.g. becoming a boxer). Or alternatively, a desire to cut people --> surgeon, etc.

In these scenarios the unacceptable desire and the acceptable desire are RELATED to each other. In the example with the guy playing the basketball, he is laid off from work (completely unrelated to anything else, he's just pissed off) and he goes home and plays a "particularly vigorous" game of basketball, aka he's just walking around smashing the ball into things, i.e. taking out his frustration and anger on the basketball.

This sounds a lot more like displacement, which is when you're "taking it out" on someone. Displacement I understood as something like: if I get into a fight with my boss at work, I come home and start yelling at my children.

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Displacement is an immature defense mechanism, while sublimation is a mature defense mechanism.

In immature defense mechanisms, you often do inappropriate things. For instance, as you said, if the guy got home and yelled at his kids, that would be displacement.

In mature defense mechanisms, you just have to do something that's socially acceptable. One example of that is channeling your negative feelings into something productive (i.e. becoming a boxer), but it can also just manifest as playing aggressive basketball when you're angry, since aggressive basketball is still socially acceptable. The action doesn't have to be related to the desire.

You are correct that displacement is basically the same thing as "taking it out on someone." But when you're playing basketball, you're not taking it out on any particular person; you're channeling your negative energy into a game. If you play particularly aggressively, nobody else will take it personally.

I think this question is easier to answer if you're intimately familiar with the unwritten rules of pickup basketball...
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Sublimation - transfer of unacceptable impulse into acceptable 1 like one is frustrated and he goes home and paints to take out the bad feeling. Negetive emotions but positive outcome.

Displacement is like you angry on A and you take it out on B, just the target changes but the primary emotion doesn't get altered. Out come Negative
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Transferring negative energy on basketball cud be displacement but it has got a positive outcome.

So I think it is the mature defense mechanism oriented towards positive outcome.

I guess correct answer should be sublimation.
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Makes sense to think of it as neg-->neg or neg-->pos.

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I would choose displacement

he is angry and he changed the target of his feeling , changing the target does not mean necessary , directing it into another person
if an employer angry with his boss he hit the table rather than becoming angry with his boss , this is displacement

sublimination more associated with arts

that is what I know
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I understood sublimation as taking an unacceptable drive and turning it into something acceptable (but related). I always thought it was something like if you had a desire to hit someone (unacceptable), you channel it into something acceptable (e.g. becoming a boxer). Or alternatively, a desire to cut people --> surgeon, etc.

In these scenarios the unacceptable desire and the acceptable desire are RELATED to each other. In the example with the guy playing the basketball, he is laid off from work (completely unrelated to anything else, he's just pissed off) and he goes home and plays a "particularly vigorous" game of basketball, aka he's just walking around smashing the ball into things, i.e. taking out his frustration and anger on the basketball.

This sounds a lot more like displacement, which is when you're "taking it out" on someone. Displacement I understood as something like: if I get into a fight with my boss at work, I come home and start yelling at my children.

Thoughts?
I'm thinking the same thing here too.
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I googled the question and I came across this link where they say the answer is A.
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.ph...02459666465521

If it is A then it's because of all the reasons that others have mentioned
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If it is A then it's because of all the reasons that others have mentioned
Thanks for the conclusion. Question posted on fb has sublimation as A. So here correct answer is B.
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i think its Displacement because in Sublimation usually there is some similarity between what a person wants to do and what he is actually doing for example an aspiring actress becomes a dancer or a murderer wants to become a soldier but Displacement is just throwing your aggression towards something or someone that you know is not going to hit you back. corrections appreciated
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Thanks for the conclusion. Question posted on fb has sublimation as A. So here correct answer is B.
Ya sorry it was a typo, it's B (sublimation)
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Ahhh, I would have chosen displacement. I'm seeing the vigorous basketball game almost as going to the gym to punch a punching bag
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Ahhh, I would have chosen displacement. I'm seeing the vigorous basketball game almost as going to the gym to punch a punching bag
Why do you think that gym-going/punching the punching bag is a negative outcome ?

Even if the question was about his going to gym and punching the punching bag vigorously in response to job-loss, I wud still see it as sublimation.
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"In Freudian psychology, displacement (German Verschiebung, 'shift' or 'move') is an unconscious defense mechanism whereby the mind redirects effects from an object felt to be dangerous or unacceptable to an object felt to be safe or acceptable."

"sublimation is when displacement "serves a higher cultural or socially useful purpose, as in the creation of art or inventions."



yeah, I am quoting Wikipedia here, but it's how I understand it.
In this case, sublimation would be if he went on and pursued a career within basketball and became the next Michael Jordan; or if he started routinely to work-out in order to be healthy/in shape/lose weight. hitting repeatedly a ball for one day is simply just lashing out....
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"In Freudian psychology, displacement (German Verschiebung, 'shift' or 'move') is an unconscious defense mechanism whereby the mind redirects effects from an object felt to be dangerous or unacceptable to an object felt to be safe or acceptable."

"sublimation is when displacement "serves a higher cultural or socially useful purpose, as in the creation of art or inventions."



yeah, I am quoting Wikipedia here, but it's how I understand it.
In this case, sublimation would be if he went on and pursued a career within basketball and became the next Michael Jordan; or if he started routinely to work-out in order to be healthy/in shape/lose weight. hitting repeatedly a ball for one day is simply just lashing out....
Everyone is free to have own interpretation and about your choice of the right answer.

But I like to share how I analyze the differences between our answers.

You cite "Displacement : mind redirects effects from an object felt to be dangerous or unacceptable to an object felt to be safe or acceptable."

It is the acceptability criteria, which is satisfied sometimes in displacement and always in sublimation.

Now how to distinguish between sublimation and displacement in a phenomena where acceptability criteria is satisfied ?

So we have got more criteria :
1. whether it serves a higher cultural or socially useful purpose or
2. is it useful in the creation of art or inventions ?


Here comes the point of difference between our opinions.

Look at the three cases as an example:

1. Does playing basketball game serve a means to learn/create any form of art ?

2. Could punching the punching bag help him becoming learning/achieving skills in certain basic maneuvers (which is a part of some forms of Asian martial art) ?

3. Does punching the cushions help him learning any form of art ?

My answers to first two questions are YES and it is sublimation, and I guess you would not agree here.

In third case, punching the cushions sitting in the bedroom while being angry at boss does not help achieving anything, so it should be considered displacement phenomenon. There we agree.

You consider sublimation as a phenomenon only when the person can earn reputation by making basketball/ martial art a mainstream career. But there are quite a many people who are average n occasional players and still form a part of local team.
Therefore, I consider any form of displaced feelings which are expressed like a form or art - as sublimation.
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Here's a pretty nice example on sublimation guys!

http://www.omg-facts.com/Facts/The-S...f-school/50383

He's now the president of a conservation society and studying law at Mcgill univeristy!
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The unacceptable wish( fighting with employer) was translated to an action that is not conflicting with the one's values( playing sports vigorously ).
And that is sublimation.
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A 36-year-old man with a history of depression is laid off from work. That evening he goes to the gym and plays a particularly vigorous game of basketball.

Which defense mechanism is being used by this man?
a) displacement
b) sublimation

Which one, and why? Thanks!
sublimation - answer, the negative impact is converted into a productive one.

displacement - for eg: angry with something and showing it on something else.
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Displacement coz he is transferring feelings unconsciously, without being aware of.. Angry-> punch a nag, hit a desk

While in sublimation person consciously transfers feelings towards positivity for long term productive outcome.. Heart broken-->> rockstar

In this case it's too early to conclude as sublimation.
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but, sublimation is unconcious too rit???
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Guidance into a different person, if the employer is angry with his boss, he hit the table, rather than become his boss angry
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