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If a person believes the CIA/FBI is following them, would this be classified as delusional disorder or Schizophrenia? Assume the questions does not give the length of time or states its over 6 month.

other examples:
Aliens- Schizophrenia
ex-girlfriend- most likely delusional
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Probably Paranoid schyzophrenia ...
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If a person believes the CIA/FBI is following them, would this be classified as delusional disorder or Schizophrenia? Assume the questions does not give the length of time or states its over 6 month.

other examples:
Aliens- Schizophrenia
ex-girlfriend- most likely delusional
Let me know if you guys have more examples.
schizo - in most cases no relation to reality
delusion - perceiving wishes or facts in abnormal ways

so the person probably is schizo
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Here is a nice detail to it:

If he left his life being suspicious of someone being following him (but was married, has a job and stuff) he has paranoid personality

But if he acutely tells you that someone is after him, most likely something totally not making sense, like CIA is after him - than its paranoid disorder
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Here is a nice detail to it:

If he left his life being suspicious of someone being following him (but was married, has a job and stuff) he has paranoid personality

But if he acutely tells you that someone is after him, most likely something totally not making sense, like CIA is after him - than its paranoid disorder
what about schizo ?
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what about schizo ?
I think in shizo you have invisible people around... They dont follow you, they are just there to talk to... Napoleon, Elvis, Mozart...
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I think in shizo you have invisible people around... They dont follow you, they are just there to talk to... Napoleon, Elvis, Mozart...
You have point but how you talk to someone w/o following
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You have point but how you talk to someone w/o following
you just pull up a chair, sit down in front of the blank white wall and... turn the hyperspeed on, put the laser sword on charge and chat with Vader...
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you just pull up a chair, sit down in front of the blank white wall and... turn the hyperspeed on, put the laser sword on charge and chat with Vader...
You got some real insight goin on here be careful
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If this an isolated symptom and the person is otherwise funtioning normally it could be a dilitional disorder
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If this an isolated symptom and the person is otherwise funtioning normally it could be a dilitional disorder
Dilitional Disorder ??? never heard .....?
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Dilitional Disorder ??? never heard .....?
My I phone did
Anyway: delusional disorder
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dilitional disorder is an iPhone's disease...
its when it starts deleting your data from its memory...
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dilitional disorder is an iPhone's disease...
its when it starts deleting your data from its memory...
So true. Dilitional disorder is the MC disorder among teenagers. I wish...
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so lets say length of time was not given and paranoid disorder/personality was not an option...

would everyone agree that CIA following you is Schizophrenia?

Im thinking CIA is not logically possible, thats like 1/1000000 chance unless the guy had some criminal history lol, whereas ex-girlfriend is much more likely and could be delusional disorder.
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Paranoia (delusional disorder) is not something logical, but plausible.
CIA following somebody in the US? certainly possible.
These are two very closely related disorders and they want you to know the difference.

Isolated delusion is not a Schizophrenia in my opinion.
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I think in shizo you have invisible people around... They dont follow you, they are just there to talk to... Napoleon, Elvis, Mozart...
That's not entirely true. You are talking about hallucinations. Some schizophrenics do have hallucinations, but some are also paranoid. It is not the same thing at all!
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here is a nice detail to it:

If he left his life being suspicious of someone being following him (but was married, has a job and stuff) he has paranoid personality

but if he acutely tells you that someone is after him, most likely something totally not making sense, like cia is after him - than its paranoid disorder
in my opinion, i think he is paranoid.
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I agree with Teresa that, in the absence of other symptoms, this is most likely delusional disorder.

It's not just about how likely it is, it's about the patient interpreting things as evidence for the delusion. The CIA following you? Fairly unlikely (unless the patient is a foreign-born journalist or diplomat). The FBI following you? Still unlikely (unless the patient is an anarchist, socialist, or vegetarian who is politically active). However - seeing a man who lives in your apartment building at the grocery store when you are there and also at the cafe one day? Not unlikely at all, but this is the sort of thing that a person with a delusion of FBI persecution might interpret as the "the FBI is following me wherever I go."
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I thnk it helps to keep in mind that Schizophrenia is single worst psychiatric diagnosis you can make. So you have to be very careful.

In delusional disorder, the delusions very by culture, so being followed by CIA, in the present situation in the US, would definitely count as one.

It could be hard to distinguish between Schizophrenia and Delusional Disorder, because the patient with Delusional Disorder can even have: social and occupational problems, and even occasional violent behavior related to delusions.

He can't have any previous history of schizophrenic symptoms, no visibly bizarre behavior, no mood symptoms, and the thought process is organized.
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