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i need advice..
i am on my second read, doing kaplan q bank wd an aggregate of 60 to 65 percent !it varies, im just at the beginning , i plan to take my exam in november , i am doing kaplan qbank subjectwise , my question is, shud i do uworld subject wise wd kap q bank , does anyone do this or is it an insane idea ? why i want to do uw now , i feel im using kap q bank to get myself oriented to questions , i want to start uw early in my prep , cz i think doing it wd third read will be too late? confused ... anyone , help
i have also come across friends who say there is no need of kap q bank , i m wasting my time , but there is information in kap q bank that is not in lecture notes , so what do u ppl say ....help plzzzzz
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Default UW full, Kaplan Qbank selective

Are you doing Qbank online or offline? if online then unmark the low yield and do only highest yield and medium yield questions,
if you are using offline, Kaplan qbank can be done subject selective ,

in my exam expereience the absolute must from Kaplan Qbank Include :

1) Genetics (i had so many genetics questions in my exam,they were undoable without kaplan qbank practice)
2) Behavioral science and Biostatistics

others that i would strongly suggest are Pathophysiology and Immunology.

The rest of subjects r covered so good in UW qbank that u dont need KAPLAN qbank unless u have the time for it..

I suggest start UW with this read dont wait for the start of 3rd read, u'll learn a lot from UW explanations, the earlier the better.
They are a learning + Asessment tool , bit easier then Kaplan Qbank but much more High yield.

However if u want to do UW online and random then finish your second read subject wise with KQbank and then start UW..

Hope it helps..Good luck
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Are you doing Qbank online or offline? if online then unmark the low yield and do only highest yield and medium yield questions,
if you are using offline, Kaplan qbank can be done subject selective ,

in my exam expereience the absolute must from Kaplan Qbank Include :

1) Genetics (i had so many genetics questions in my exam,they were undoable without kaplan qbank practice)
2) Behavioral science and Biostatistics

others that i would strongly suggest are Pathophysiology and Immunology.

The rest of subjects r covered so good in UW qbank that u dont need KAPLAN qbank unless u have the time for it..

I suggest start UW with this read dont wait for the start of 3rd read, u'll learn a lot from UW explanations, the earlier the better.
They are a learning + Asessment tool , bit easier then Kaplan Qbank but much more High yield.

However if u want to do UW online and random then finish your second read subject wise with KQbank and then start UW..

Hope it helps..Good luck
thanx for replying ... i was waiting anxiously for one

doing kaplan offline , i cant seggrgate low yield frm high yield questions!
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In that case u can do the Kqbank selectively, But i strongly suggest you to start UW with second read, first finish the subject then Kaplan Qbank and then UW qbank of that subject.

Do you have a strategy for reading explanations?

If you are doing offline you can use the following strategy i used it during my prep.
Read full explanation of every wrong question and mark it for review SECOND TIME
For questions you were not sure and uncertain if your reasoning was correct or not, use small alphabet on your answer sheet or if u r doing on books then have some special sign for it. And do read the explanations of all such questions too. Some time u got the anser by guessing or by wrong reasoning.

for questions you were sure and fully certain use other mark and do not waste time on reading their explantion just go over the rekAP or the educational objective of that question depending on Qbank.

this way u can save time and use both qbanks ful and effectivelly..
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In that case u can do the Kqbank selectively, But i strongly suggest you to start UW with second read, first finish the subject then Kaplan Qbank and then UW qbank of that subject.

Do you have a strategy for reading explanations?

If you are doing offline you can use the following strategy i used it during my prep.
Read full explanation of every wrong question and mark it for review SECOND TIME
For questions you were not sure and uncertain if your reasoning was correct or not, use small alphabet on your answer sheet or if u r doing on books then have some special sign for it. And do read the explanations of all such questions too. Some time u got the anser by guessing or by wrong reasoning.


thanku so much for such a detailed answer .

yes , i have adoped this strategy ...

i am getting really frustrated in the drill though , how many questions shud i be getting right in my second read and first attempt at uw? and kap
imany q of u w shud i do in a day ?s kap q bank cosidered tougher than uw?
how


for questions you were sure and fully certain use other mark and do not waste time on reading their explantion just go over the rekAP or the educational objective of that question depending on Qbank.

this way u can save time and use both qbanks ful and effectivelly..
i am getting really frustrated in the drill though , how many questions shud i be getting right in my second read and first attempt at uw out of 50 ques

and how many right at kaplan q ? i just want to evaluate myself, am i below average, round abt i get 18 to 20 wrong in kap for now...smtimes bcz i havent read the material before , the concept wasnt clear , or simply out of the two i chose the wrong one cz i simply forgot


im getting really worried , kindly guide me ...
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if you are getting over 60% in kaplan qbank and over 65% in UW in second reading thats consider good, anything above 70% is very good.

Second thing is that this will be your overall percentage for the subject, individual blocks will have variable performance.

The most bad thing u can do to yourself is to feel frsutrated!! it kills your motivation. Avoid it at every cost!

You have to realize that these qbanks are not your primary assessment tools, they are learning tools which give you some rough assessment as well.

Classically the mistakes you'll make in these qbanks you'll remember them in more details later on as it will involve emotional memory.

UW explanations have a lot of new information and Kaplan qbank has a lot of low yield concepts tested, that is why on an average people have somewhat low percentage in it then UW.
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Another thing is that do little analysis of wrong questions after reading through the explanation that what was the underlying reason for getting it wrong?

whether it was lack of knowledge or faulty concept, Or you were not able to recall despite knowing the concept. Third thing that can be the cause of getting wrong question is misunderstanding the question or misreading it.

Have you read the study strategies and strategies for doing mcqs given in the begining of Kaplan Qbook by dr. Steven Daughtery?

I strongly suggest you to go through them at least once. I have it in pdf and can send in case you need it.
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i need advice..
i am on my second read, doing kaplan q bank wd an aggregate of 60 to 65 percent !it varies, im just at the beginning , i plan to take my exam in november , i am doing kaplan qbank subjectwise , my question is, shud i do uworld subject wise wd kap q bank , does anyone do this or is it an insane idea ? why i want to do uw now , i feel im using kap q bank to get myself oriented to questions , i want to start uw early in my prep , cz i think doing it wd third read will be too late? confused ... anyone , help
i have also come across friends who say there is no need of kap q bank , i m wasting my time , but there is information in kap q bank that is not in lecture notes , so what do u ppl say ....help plzzzzz
i am in same position like u
the exam in nov
started review in july ( 1st aid with kaplan lec notes with kaplan q bank online subject wise i complete 22 % from all questions subject wise )

well i heard that we should not do all the q bank questions like we do 50 % from them so i will listen to syndrom x advise and do high yield question

i have problem i done a block patholgy got 70 % right
then in cellular biochemistry i got 45% right
and in gentics also in 40
then in neuroantomy in 60

so i want to ask how i can improve my cellular biochemistry and gentics ?
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Another thing is that do little analysis of wrong questions after reading through the explanation that what was the underlying reason for getting it wrong?

whether it was lack of knowledge or faulty concept, Or you were not able to recall despite knowing the concept. Third thing that can be the cause of getting wrong question is misunderstanding the question or misreading it.

Have you read the study strategies and strategies for doing mcqs given in the begining of Kaplan Qbook by dr. Steven Daughtery?

I strongly suggest you to go through them at least once. I have it in pdf and can send in case you need it.
can u send it to me

and i have question i heard that subject wise blocks leads u to forget the other subject which i feel now that i forget the bichemistry that i read it b4 10 days

and another question for doing (kaplan notes with 1st aid with kaplan q bank ) how many days should take the review for that subject???????? for me it takes 12 days bad i know
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Another thing is that do little analysis of wrong questions after reading through the explanation that what was the underlying reason for getting it wrong?

whether it was lack of knowledge or faulty concept, Or you were not able to recall despite knowing the concept. Third thing that can be the cause of getting wrong question is misunderstanding the question or misreading it.

Have you read the study strategies and strategies for doing mcqs given in the begining of Kaplan Qbook by dr. Steven Daughtery?

I strongly suggest you to go through them at least once. I have it in pdf and can send in case you need it.
thankyou for the extensive reply...

i have kap q book , it has stragies in it , i dnt knw if by steven daughtery ?
ok its the first thing i will go thru ...

wht i noticed during ques ... why i get em wrong
1. i dnt knw the concept
2.i have problem recalling
3. i am so tired while attemting , that i smtimes recall the wrong concept , eventhough i knw the answer ... i guess , i am doing questions im not very active , fully oriented , sleep deficit...(another thing how to keep urself relaxed andbalanced during all this .. i feel like a lonely soul during this prep, mu friends have all goe in diferent directions , what can i do by myself , still be motivated , hAve a happy healthy , routine , i guess this is one of the challanges of this prep! i write in this forum , cosidering it my usmle family LOL)
4.i have problems in ct, mri , i have gone thru the lec videos , apart frm that really how much time shud i spend looking at cts , mri of brain , abd , chest etc)
5. i start losing it once i am at verge of finishing a subject , means it shud take me 2 days more but instead it linger on for 5days !
6. i would like to ask u , its one of my biggest fears , that i will start forgetting a subject after completing it , so wht did u do to come around it? a friend of mine used to start reviing the oprevious subject , when hw was in the mid of the next ...
i knw these ques must be asked again n again but i feel like a fetus in this prep ! and need ur help , ur replies ecourage me to ask more
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Another thing is that do little analysis of wrong questions after reading through the explanation that what was the underlying reason for getting it wrong?

whether it was lack of knowledge or faulty concept, Or you were not able to recall despite knowing the concept. Third thing that can be the cause of getting wrong question is misunderstanding the question or misreading it.

Have you read the study strategies and strategies for doing mcqs given in the begining of Kaplan Qbook by dr. Steven Daughtery?

I strongly suggest you to go through them at least once. I have it in pdf and can send in case you need it.
for now uw was like 62 percent, doing them offline i gues u take the percentage out like normal maths rite , lol ... i knw its a hilarious question , but a friend of mine forced me y take nbme 1 offline two months ago and it had a weird calculation stragey ...
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i am in same position like u
the exam in nov
started review in july ( 1st aid with kaplan lec notes with kaplan q bank online subject wise i complete 22 % from all questions subject wise )

well i heard that we should not do all the q bank questions like we do 50 % from them so i will listen to syndrom x advise and do high yield question

i have problem i done a block patholgy got 70 % right
then in cellular biochemistry i got 45% right
and in gentics also in 40
then in neuroantomy in 60

so i want to ask how i can improve my cellular biochemistry and gentics ?
As i said individual block will have variable performance do not expect to perform the same in all blocks , just this simple fact reduces frustration half of the times..

Second thing is that as i mentioned earlier when you have quiet low percentage than you were expecting then you would need to do more thorough analysis, what went wrong. For example in genetics you are getting wrong questions, then you need to take a pause and see whether you got the concepts right in the first place or not? Do not fool yourself. Successful student has what is technically called Metacognition. They are very well aware of their level of understanding of a topic or subject and they also anticipate where they'll have to work more.
Psyhcologically we like to spend more time in areas we know well and avoid spending more time on topics which we feel difficult or make us nauseated. As Dr. steven daughtery says we need to reverse this process.

more time for weak areas and 'relatively less' for strong areas. Sometimes we have created such a sense of urgency for ourselves that we have to finish a subject in this much days that we neglect this analysis phase and then keep on repeating those mistakes till the exam.

Once you have identified a problem you gotta fix it before moving forward. Avoid procrastination on it.
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can u send it to me

and i have question i heard that subject wise blocks leads u to forget the other subject which i feel now that i forget the bichemistry that i read it b4 10 days

and another question for doing (kaplan notes with 1st aid with kaplan q bank ) how many days should take the review for that subject???????? for me it takes 12 days bad i know
yes i'll , PM me your email address.

While you are doing 1 subject and then their qbanks you'll have the feeling you forgot the subject previously read. This feeling is perfectly normal. Do not let this feeling fool you. finish the subjects with qbank and in next round you'll have even more retention and integration beacuse you'll know how questions are structured and what are your weak areas.

I would suggest to keep around 8-10 blocks of your qbank reserved for later use as completely RANDOM , which will give you pretty good idea of how you do when all subjects come randomly.

the speed is very subjective phenomena you should not compare your speed with everyone ,its a sure recipie for frustration as i said it will cause you to negelct the analysis phase and move on, this is what causes some people to take 4-5 readings while many other stuidents just 2 reading to master the Kaplan LN and FA.

for reference i would say 40-50 pages of kaplan lecture notes with 15-20 pages of FA daily is very good speed.
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i think UWorld has to be done with the second read because there is so much information in that qbank that you probably find totally new. so if u delay it as i did, you may get frustrated. regarding methodology, i can suggest once subject wise, mark your questions an then do topic wise second time. but plz start doing it. ou will find lot of ppl without full Kaplan QBank getting good score but i have yet to see someone who did not do UWorld well enough n got good score. good luck and all the best
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i am on my second read, doing kaplan q bank wd an aggregate of 60 to 65 percent !it varies, im just at the beginning , i plan to take my exam in november , i am doing kaplan qbank subjectwise , my question is, shud i do uworld subject wise wd kap q bank , does anyone do this or is it an insane idea ? why i want to do uw now , i feel im using kap q bank to get myself oriented to questions , i want to start uw early in my prep , cz i think doing it wd third read will be too late? confused ... anyone , help
i have also come across friends who say there is no need of kap q bank , i m wasting my time , but there is information in kap q bank that is not in lecture notes , so what do u ppl say ....help plzzzzz
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thankyou for the extensive reply...

i have kap q book , it has stragies in it , i dnt knw if by steven daughtery ?
ok its the first thing i will go thru ...

wht i noticed during ques ... why i get em wrong
1. i dnt knw the concept
2.i have problem recalling
3. i am so tired while attemting , that i smtimes recall the wrong concept , eventhough i knw the answer ... i guess , i am doing questions im not very active , fully oriented , sleep deficit...(another thing how to keep urself relaxed andbalanced during all this .. i feel like a lonely soul during this prep, mu friends have all goe in diferent directions , what can i do by myself , still be motivated , hAve a happy healthy , routine , i guess this is one of the challanges of this prep! i write in this forum , cosidering it my usmle family LOL)
4.i have problems in ct, mri , i have gone thru the lec videos , apart frm that really how much time shud i spend looking at cts , mri of brain , abd , chest etc)
5. i start losing it once i am at verge of finishing a subject , means it shud take me 2 days more but instead it linger on for 5days !
6. i would like to ask u , its one of my biggest fears , that i will start forgetting a subject after completing it , so wht did u do to come around it? a friend of mine used to start reviing the oprevious subject , when hw was in the mid of the next ...
i knw these ques must be asked again n again but i feel like a fetus in this prep ! and need ur help , ur replies ecourage me to ask more
First of all know that there will be around 20-25% of questions in both qbanks which are not covered as such in the Kaplan LN and even FA. so you'll get them wrong especially if your knowledge base is mostly limited to kaplan LN and FA.
In thas case their explantions will be a learning tool for you, dont neglect it.

Usmle is a long journey you gotta keep your self healthy both physically and mentally. the more strong you are the better. Try to sleep 7 hours on an average. Compromising sleep for an extra hour or so of studying is not a good idea at all. Try to save time from other sources like social media or other source of time stealers rather than compromising sleep. Eat well ! you cant afford to fall sick in the middle of your preparation.

Sometime taking a day off in the middle of preparation and doing something else can easen up the burden. Avoid Burn out. Remember to have some fun but not too much fun that it becomes a distraction.

Do the questions when you are fresh not at the end of day when you are tired.

Everyone feels lonely in the phase that is why these forums are such a good source of support, i would not post or comment on the forum in my preparation but i occasionally came to this forum to realize myself that i am not alone.

In order to stay motivated you gotta have a clear vision of a Compelling future ahead. Just visualize how would you feel when you achieve your target score, how would you feel when you achive residency in your top choice program ? how would it feel when you diagnose a patient correctly while others were struggling? and how much would u be happy when you cure a patient and the patient and his whole family is extremely grateful to you and say you are the most caring doctor they have seen in their life!! wont it make you feel great??

visualizing it on and off and trying to live that moments in imagination keeps you motivating and moving.

everyone has a different reason for doing usmle, you need to know it clear why are you doing this? why?
if you have plenty of reasons or reasons which are extremely strong!! it will drive you towards your goal daily and you'll achive it with flying colors IA.
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Try to make a very detailed and realistic plan based on your speed of studying and stick to it, (can help you more on this if you need)
when you know ahead of time that what you'll do tomorrow and then after it, you'll avoid wasting time on trivial things beacuse you would realize that, by doing that trivial things you wont be able to finish today's task and then the next day's task will increase up.
You have to ask daily at the end of the day were you on track or off the track ? by track i mean did you complete the To-do list for that day or not.


For Ct scan and MRI donot worry too much at this stage. All you need to know is normal radiologic anatomy, if you know the normal you can easily spot the pathology on the radiologic image. Do it from any good source of radiology, a book or website. But know your limits we are not radiologists we need to know normal anatomy.


lingering too much near the end of subject is a sign that you loose the interest by the end of that subject. At that stage say to your self that buddy just speed it up so that we get rid of it and start new subject rather then increase the misery for more days...

dont worry about forgetting different things at this stage of preparation, just focus on the subject at hand not which you did previously, but try to integrate with familiar and similar concepts in the subjects you have already finished.
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its ok to clarify everything rather then feeling shy.
yes we do simple maths in qbanks. For NBMEs people try to assess the predictibility by using different formulae. But nbmes especially after form 7-13 should be done online only in my view.
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First of all know that there will be around 20-25% of questions in both qbanks which are not covered as such in the Kaplan LN and even FA. so you'll get them wrong especially if your knowledge base is mostly limited to kaplan LN and FA.
In thas case their explantions will be a learning tool for you, dont neglect it.

Usmle is a long journey you gotta keep your self healthy both physically and mentally. the more strong you are the better. Try to sleep 7 hours on an average. Compromising sleep for an extra hour or so of studying is not a good idea at all. Try to save time from other sources like social media or other source of time stealers rather than compromising sleep. Eat well ! you cant afford to fall sick in the middle of your preparation.

Sometime taking a day off in the middle of preparation and doing something else can easen up the burden. Avoid Burn out. Remember to have some fun but not too much fun that it becomes a distraction.

Do the questions when you are fresh not at the end of day when you are tired.

Everyone feels lonely in the phase that is why these forums are such a good source of support, i would not post or comment on the forum in my preparation but i occasionally came to this forum to realize myself that i am not alone.

In order to stay motivated you gotta have a clear vision of a Compelling future ahead. Just visualize how would you feel when you achieve your target score, how would you feel when you achive residency in your top choice program ? how would it feel when you diagnose a patient correctly while others were struggling? and how much would u be happy when you cure a patient and the patient and his whole family is extremely grateful to you and say you are the most caring doctor they have seen in their life!! wont it make you feel great??

visualizing it on and off and trying to live that moments in imagination keeps you motivating and moving.

everyone has a different reason for doing usmle, you need to know it clear why are you doing this? why?
if you have plenty of reasons or reasons which are extremely strong!! it will drive you towards your goal daily and you'll achive it with flying colors IA.
thankyou , that was very inspiring and scintillating for me, i guess i will remember it next time i am in low tones ! IA we will do it !
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You can do the worst thing is, think frsutrated It kills your motivation. Avoid it at all costs!
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