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Alright...
I am an img...i was preparing for usmle...gave my step 1 ..got a poor score of 205/85...
I have decided to quit my journey further...cause i see no point in going toward a future..where uncertainity is at its peak...
My seniors didnt help me much either...they said u can try and give it a shot and see if it works for u..make contacts...people at all forums , mostly one doesnt get replies at all..but even if one does they say " ohh i know of this guy who got matched at a score similar to yours in an university / or other programs" but seriously where are these guys...i couldnt find a single guy with low scores who matched in IM...( and please a green card really helps...for people like me...who have no green card there are slim chances)

I know of guys who had low scores didnt got matched...did research...then even didnt got matched...
Some of them took up FM...( they had applied for both)
Actually i have just heard about them...

The deal is ...no one can understand ...they always say yeah do try...its what u always wanted...and these are the guys with 230s score always...
Is there really a point to spend soo many $$ and soo much of time...just to improve ur cv...
Well some of u might disagree..but my aim was to get into a good residency...my aim isnt just going to the usa..

Is there a single guy out there who is an img...with low score...with no green card...with no contacts...just with electives... Maybe a research ...who got matched at an IM program...???


As for me...these were just thoughts accumulated over time...sorry if i discourage anyone...
I will settle for my home md now...maybe do mrcp later and apply in dubai / singapore...or maybe enter usa via the direct fellowship route..if i get in radio / anaesthesia...



All the best all....any replies..( i know hardly anyone replies on posts like these) but still....WILL BE APPRECIATED
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IMG , I Haven't done any electives .. giving step 1 in oct, waiting for scheduling permit.. I shd get High score as its difficult to find externship after graduation.. Have not applied for any either.. Will decide after step 1 results.. Hope everything goes well..

I m in no position to advice anything but if I was in your position would have done the same probably.. Still your results will be valid for 7 years and that means you need not pass step 1 again in case you want to do fellowship..

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what was ur NBME SCORE.

was it 205?????
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IMG , I Haven't done any electives .. giving step 1 in oct, waiting for scheduling permit.. I shd get High score as its difficult to find externship after graduation.. Have not applied for any either.. Will decide after step 1 results.. Hope everything goes well..

I m in no position to advice anything but if I was in your position would have done the same probably.. Still your results will be valid for 7 years and that means you need not pass step 1 again in case you want to do fellowship..

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Thanx man... Thanx for sympathizing atleast...:-) all the best too u...
I would say anything in > 220 should be good...less than that...
You mught face difficulties ...
I even had a elective at an iv league...with 2 lors... :-) still i think once a bad score...its really dfficult to get above that ...
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what was ur NBME SCORE.

was it 205?????
SEE NOW THIS IS THE KINDA GUY I AM TALKING ABOUT...these people wont help u in any way.... They are just here so that they will get answers to all their queries....without even bothering about what anyone might be feeling...
I am assuming u just gave ur nbme... And i am assuming u are just windering..." hey does it really match??? Lets ask this guy ..i am sure he will answer,,,"
Well buddy...i am not like u... So here it is.,
Nbme 7 212
Nbme 11 205
U world 228

I hope u learn some forum manners... ( no offence ) all the best to u too :-)
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hey man... plz just donot give up.... just go for ur step2 after that decide, want to continue or quit.... but its just start of ur journey... & u told that u don't know those gyz who r doing residency with low score.. i am sending u one refrence on ur inbox just have a look try to talk with him... this guy had 86 in step one & 97 in step 2 & now he is doing residency in prince george's hospital in internal medicine.. i donot know why u r so upset.. i know in this forum or in whole world people only like to listen sucess stories, they wont listen unsucessful stories so try to make harder urself..... & i hope after 2 years u r writing Ur success story here & more then 100 thanks on Ur post...
I am not expert even i didn't give steps right now but i became very upset after reading Ur post... chill up bro just do Ur step2
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hey man... plz just donot give up.... just go for ur step2 after that decide, want to continue or quit.... but its just start of ur journey... & u told that u don't know those gyz who r doing residency with low score.. i am sending u one refrence on ur inbox just have a look try to talk with him... this guy had 86 in step one & 97 in step 2 & now he is doing residency in prince george's hospital in internal medicine.. i donot know why u r so upset.. i know in this forum or in whole world people only like to listen sucess stories, they wont listen unsucessful stories so try to make harder urself..... & i hope after 2 years u r writing Ur success story here & more then 100 thanks on Ur post...
I am not expert even i didn't give steps right now but i became very upset after reading Ur post... chill up bro just do Ur step2
Wish u Good luck

Hmm.. Thanx for the link man... I will ask him for guidance...
And i am sorry if i made u upset...this was just accumulated for a long time now....u know it really hurts...when u see ur friends getting good scores...and it really hurts when u see them getting matched !!
But nevertheless we should be happy for them..thats what i try to do...
But it hurts at times...or i should say...most of the times....
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SEE NOW THIS IS THE KINDA GUY I AM TALKING ABOUT...these people wont help u in any way.... They are just here so that they will get answers to all their queries....without even bothering about what anyone might be feeling...
I am assuming u just gave ur nbme... And i am assuming u are just windering..." hey does it really match??? Lets ask this guy ..i am sure he will answer,,,"
Well buddy...i am not like u... So here it is.,
Nbme 7 212
Nbme 11 205
U world 228

I hope u learn some forum manners... ( no offence ) all the best to u too :-)
lol easy dude....

i have already done my exam, and am preparing for step 2 ck.. lol..

i just wanted to know ur nbme score because if they did show ur score around 205 then why the hell on earth will u keep cribbing about it, as u were already warned about where u are at the moment and what ur weak points are.

Uworld score always over predicts 20 pts extra... so subtracting 20 from ur uworld score u still get around 205 approx.

you dont expect a miracle to happen when ur nbme says around 205 and u go to the exam to score 230, unless u work on ur weak area..lol

so easy dude.. just understand people in this forum are here to analyse were our fellow friends have gone wrong and not to make use of them!

But must say, stop been very paranoid about the fact every 1 here wants to get max. info out of you.. Honestly no 1 really cares about what score u get and what u do after that.

we are here only to support and guide people and help them analyze where did they go wrong.

Good luck to you too
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I agree will Dr Shamil you should not quit so early in the game and should channelize all your feelings towards step2 CK , atleast give yourself a reasonable time frame to become ecfmg certified and to try your level best to get matched...... on the other side you have nothing to loose so give your best shot in CK and i am sure this CK prep will go a long way in your life even if you opt for any other clinical exam in any part of the world and lastly i quote Dr shamil words here and i trust him on that

"i hope after 2 years u r writing Ur success story here & more then 100 thanks on Ur post... "

just remember if fate wants you to be a doctor in US you will be there and no one can change/stop that! so give yourself atleast 2-3 years and then take ultimate decision
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lol easy dude....

i have already done my exam, and am preparing for step 2 ck.. lol..

i just wanted to know ur nbme score because if they did show ur score around 205 then why the hell on earth will u keep cribbing about it, as u were already warned about where u are at the moment and what ur weak points are.

Uworld score always over predicts 20 pts extra... so subtracting 20 from ur uworld score u still get around 205 approx.

you dont expect a miracle to happen when ur nbme says around 205 and u go to the exam to score 230, unless u work on ur weak area..lol

so easy dude.. just understand people in this forum are here to analyse were our fellow friends have gone wrong and not to make use of them!

But must say, stop been very paranoid about the fact every 1 here wants to get max. info out of you.. Honestly no 1 really cares about what score u get and what u do after that.

we are here only to support and guide people and help them analyze where did they go wrong.

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Okay your nbme scores are similar to mine!!! Why the hell on earth...did u take the exam....??? Huh
I took it cause i had put in everything i could...this was the best i could do...and yeah i regret a poor score....but i dont regret my preparation...And moreover there was this feeling of saturation!!!
After the exam i still had the feeling...this is the best i could do...
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Okay your nbme scores are similar to mine!!! Why the hell on earth...did u take the exam....??? Huh
I took it cause i had put in everything i could...this was the best i could do...and yeah i regret a poor score....but i dont regret my preparation...And moreover there was this feeling of saturation!!!
After the exam i still had the feeling...this is the best i could do...
lol is that the BEST COME BACK you can come up with???

If my NBME SCORE predicted that score, i did not sit and cry...........OH MY GODDDDDD my step score is low.. be bold and brave... and not a kido.

ask mummy to get you a candy.... YAAAY U PASSED THE EXAM.

Be happy with what u get, and help others who are about to do their exams and dont be greedy for more n more.lol

Dude i got no time for ur kidish whining , am leaving this topic..
so cheers!
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I agree will Dr Shamil you should not quit so early in the game and should channelize all your feelings towards step2 CK , atleast give yourself a reasonable time frame to become ecfmg certified and to try your level best to get matched...... on the other side you have nothing to loose so give your best shot in CK and i am sure this CK prep will go a long way in your life even if you opt for any other clinical exam in any part of the world and lastly i quote Dr shamil words here and i trust him on that

"i hope after 2 years u r writing Ur success story here & more then 100 thanks on Ur post... "

just remember if fate wants you to be a doctor in US you will be there and no one can change/stop that! so give yourself atleast 2-3 years and then take ultimate decision

And what if its not destined!!! Then what...i believe in destiny just like u... U know when i was preparing i used to have bizzare experiences
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Like i never saw anyone stuck with nbme...my nbme crashed i dont know a million times...and each time it used to start...there was less time...
I was the first one to realise..that google chrome doesnt support nmbe"s ability to highlight...
Whenever i took the nbme module...there were powercuts ... My net used to go...
I developed migraine... 4 attacks in 10 days...took propranalol and topiramate for that...
I developed dyslipidemia... My genes were never good anyway...
I am still on statin therapy....

U see.... And moreover my seniors...just laughed it out... Saying just relax...all will be fine...what if it isnt...what if i end up doing mph???
Even the attending i was with during my elective...said i should probably do an mph..

See man...i am not going to usa..just for the $$ ... I want a good carrer...i want a good residency....
My life in my home country isnt crappy either...yeah usa would have been better obsv...
But at times u are just destined...i guess i will stick to my plan...
And i will probably apply for fellowships...or maybe mrcp...and go for a shorttime visit to dubai....

Thanx anyways....
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lol is that the BEST COME BACK you can come up with???

If my NBME SCORE predicted that score, i did not sit and cry...........OH MY GODDDDDD my step score is low.. be bold and brave... and not a kido.

ask mummy to get you a candy.... YAAAY U PASSED THE EXAM.

Be happy with what u get, and help others who are about to do their exams and dont be greedy for more n more.lol

Dude i got no time for ur kidish whining , am leaving this topic..
so cheers!
Okay... Let me just tell u one thing man...
U think i didnt try...??
Well u are wrong then...u are free to leave this topic...brother..
But dont forget... Life comes a full circle... :-)
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Ya dude, I think poor step one score is setback for all of us. We can understand your situation but you know sometimes things don't work the way we want. If it would have been worked as we wanted then there would be a different world. I know this thing sounds too theoretical but theory is always a base for a good practical experience.
I am not a guru or master to suggest you something but what I can say that. Take sometime and reduce your saturation level and then start working hard for step 2 ck and score 250+ and try to do as much observerships or research and make your CV strong.
If people say that they heard someone getting matched with a low score that means there is may be atleast single person who got match then if he or she got matched then why not me or you.
And ya one more recommendation: you know studying hard is good but studying effectively is more important. Telling my personal point; I am preparing for step 1 and I review nearly all of standard review material but I keep on forgetting stuff. As I am not an einstein son;-). So now I am changing my approach I am starting to integrated questions with my revision. By this I am able to grasp more stuff.

So overall "USMLE bye bye" or "USMLE kick your a**" it's all depend on your frontal lobe.



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@ Examtaker:

I know what you are talking about. One advise for you: If you stop now, maybe in a couple of years you look back and say:"Da.. it, maybe I should have tried!"

So give it one more chance to do Step2 and like all others said, improve your cv and find a program that is IMG friendly.

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Thanx for the required motivation guys.... I wish i had met people like u back when i seriously needed someone !!
Well... I still dont know... Maybe fellowship is the way i will go...but yeah i will have to complete my steps even for that...( u can still be board eligible after 4 yrs of fellowship )

And hey who knows...i might just get into anaesthesia.... :-) or i know this is crazy....but radiology!!
But i think the only plus point this way...would be...that if i fall...i wont go nack to being a med student in my country...trying for usa...
I will still have my residency.... And i will still have other options open :-)

But thanx a ton... !!!
U know u meet good people when u are just on the verge of going insane !!
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And what if its not destined!!! Then what...i believe in destiny just like u... U know when i was preparing i used to have bizzare experiences
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Like i never saw anyone stuck with nbme...my nbme crashed i dont know a million times...and each time it used to start...there was less time...
I was the first one to realise..that google chrome doesnt support nmbe"s ability to highlight...
Whenever i took the nbme module...there were powercuts ... My net used to go...
I developed migraine... 4 attacks in 10 days...took propranalol and topiramate for that...
I developed dyslipidemia... My genes were never good anyway...
I am still on statin therapy....

U see.... And moreover my seniors...just laughed it out... Saying just relax...all will be fine...what if it isnt...what if i end up doing mph???
Even the attending i was with during my elective...said i should probably do an mph..

See man...i am not going to usa..just for the $$ ... I want a good carrer...i want a good residency....
My life in my home country isnt crappy either...yeah usa would have been better obsv...
But at times u are just destined...i guess i will stick to my plan...
And i will probably apply for fellowships...or maybe mrcp...and go for a shorttime visit to dubai....

Thanx anyways....

Hi Examtaker!

I am sorry about the way it all went for you.
But I have to say, I DON'T believe in destiny. I believe in everyone being able to influence their own life. I will not sit around and wait for destiny to bring something to me.

You had a hard time before your exam, I can see that. (Even though I don't see why dyslipidemia should factor into your exam preparation.) Believe me, every one of us will have a hard time before their exam. And everyone of us has had or will have some health issues. That's not an excuse for a low score. And exactly the reason why I haven't taken the exam yet.
The way I see it, once you have a goal (e.g. Radiology), you know what kind of score you should get. So aim for that score, and once one or two NBMEs actually show that kind of score you can go for the exam.
So for your Step 2, that's what you should do.
Also, don't take the exam if you don't feel good and healthy!
During preparation, be sure to do sports 5 times a week. This will keep you healthy and happy, and that's the first step to a good preparation.

Also, maybe a brush up on your English could help for Step 2, maybe take a course somewhere?

By the way, which ivy league college did you go to for electives?

Good luck in your further prep, and contact me if you need anything!

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sorry for the bad marks

i hope you know that USMLE is recognised in Newzealand and 2 states of Canada also

have you given them a thought??
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Hi examtaker,

I'm also an IMG. I'm currently preparing to take step 1 at the end of this year.

I understand your frustration about forums.
There's so many information out there that eventually it does more harm than good... I think we need to be very critic about what we read in the internet, specially in forums. Also, forums are filled with liars you have to expect that! com'on! don't rely on forums to get truthfully answers...

Now, more specifically about your situation. I know this is a really unpopular view but honestly, if I got a 205 score in step 1 I would change my mind about going to the US. I know, i should probably say for you to soldier on and try to take step 2 and that you never know what's going to happen but this is what i would do.

For most IMGs going to the US it's really expensive, so it's a huge risk. For me, personally, I'm going to invest all my money into this thing and still probably gonna have to borrow some from my parents, so there's really no margin for error for me. If i screw up in the steps I'll take myself out. Doing research for 1-2-3 years, do electives, do whatever to hump up my cv is not an option for me. I really want to go but if I can't do it, well I'm still a doctor and I'm sure I'll find a new goal... Money is just overpriced paper. I might lose all my money to this but i won't lose years and years of my life to stubborn idea of "won't give up!". Don't buy into the idea that "giving up is for losers!", i've seen people giving up to find out later that they were chasing the wrong thing.... so, you never know...

Ok, those are my two cents. I hope you find your way, i truly do.
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i hope you know that USMLE is recognised in Newzealand and 2 states of Canada also

have you given them a thought??

oh reallyyyyyy......was unaware of this....can u explain in a bit detail, this would help us all out here
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Hi examtaker,

I'm also an IMG. I'm currently preparing to take step 1 at the end of this year.

I understand your frustration about forums.
There's so many information out there that eventually it does more harm than good... I think we need to be very critic about what we read in the internet, specially in forums. Also, forums are filled with liars you have to expect that! com'on! don't rely on forums to get truthfully answers...

Now, more specifically about your situation. I know this is a really unpopular view but honestly, if I got a 205 score in step 1 I would change my mind about going to the US. I know, i should probably say for you to soldier on and try to take step 2 and that you never know what's going to happen but this is what i would do.

For most IMGs going to the US it's really expensive, so it's a huge risk. For me, personally, I'm going to invest all my money into this thing and still probably gonna have to borrow some from my parents, so there's really no margin for error for me. If i screw up in the steps I'll take myself out. Doing research for 1-2-3 years, do electives, do whatever to hump up my cv is not an option for me. I really want to go but if I can't do it, well I'm still a doctor and I'm sure I'll find a new goal... Money is just overpriced paper. I might lose all my money to this but i won't lose years and years of my life to stubborn idea of "won't give up!". Don't buy into the idea that "giving up is for losers!", i've seen people giving up to find out later that they were chasing the wrong thing.... so, you never know...

Ok, those are my two cents. I hope you find your way, i truly do.
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U and me ..we are on the same page man...thanx for understanding....seriously i truly believe in each and every word u said :-)
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oh reallyyyyyy......was unaware of this....can u explain in a bit detail, this would help us all out here
I will throw some light...although the scores are valid in
Canada, australia n nz
But u need to give their version of cs exam as well...which is hell diificukt to clear...
And particularly aussies are very particular about it...its not easy man...
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I will throw some light...although the scores are valid in
Canada, australia n nz
But u need to give their version of cs exam as well...which is hell diificukt to clear...
And particularly aussies are very particular about it...its not easy man...
dude i know ur sailing a difficult tide and i pray GOD help u out thru this ordeal. my best wishes with u for whatever u decide ahead....

thanks for the information
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Alright...
I am an img...i was preparing for usmle...gave my step 1 ..got a poor score of 205/85...
I have decided to quit my journey further...cause i see no point in going toward a future..where uncertainity is at its peak...
My seniors didnt help me much either...they said u can try and give it a shot and see if it works for u..make contacts...people at all forums , mostly one doesnt get replies at all..but even if one does they say " ohh i know of this guy who got matched at a score similar to yours in an university / or other programs" but seriously where are these guys...i couldnt find a single guy with low scores who matched in IM...( and please a green card really helps...for people like me...who have no green card there are slim chances)

I know of guys who had low scores didnt got matched...did research...then even didnt got matched...
Some of them took up FM...( they had applied for both)
Actually i have just heard about them...

The deal is ...no one can understand ...they always say yeah do try...its what u always wanted...and these are the guys with 230s score always...
Is there really a point to spend soo many $$ and soo much of time...just to improve ur cv...
Well some of u might disagree..but my aim was to get into a good residency...my aim isnt just going to the usa..

Is there a single guy out there who is an img...with low score...with no green card...with no contacts...just with electives... Maybe a research ...who got matched at an IM program...???


As for me...these were just thoughts accumulated over time...sorry if i discourage anyone...
I will settle for my home md now...maybe do mrcp later and apply in dubai / singapore...or maybe enter usa via the direct fellowship route..if i get in radio / anaesthesia...



All the best all....any replies..( i know hardly anyone replies on posts like these) but still....WILL BE APPRECIATED
From your post and your ambition to migrate to Singapore/Dubai,i can infer you belong to subcontinent(no offence,am from India too)...gave my step 1 and got 213(very poor) i know and my NBME scores never predicted the calamity..i have no green card and still a student..have little knowledge about the system in USA,but probably the one thing i can say to you after reading numerous posts in internet is that,you never know when and how you will match in USA..My seniors said the same thing to me after my disaster in Step 1 and told me to continue..IM has loads of spots for IMGs..and frankly speaking one need to be exceptionally brilliant to get into 'Good' uni programs in IM(the requirements are very good scores>250,gud amount of USCE,Research and home country residency)..personally know around 10 people matched in Boston uni,Cleveland clinic and two people matching into Ortho and neurosurgery in uni of lousville and Uni of illonois(they were all with 250 above scores,experience in electives and research and home country residency plus alumni from their college holding high posts in Uni programmes)..With 205 if you are wishing for such a programme,may be you are daydreaming(sorry bro,dont wanna hurt you)..but with 205 you can get into community programme of course..loads of posts i have gone through and found scores of people matching with 210s and in community hospitals..just google IM match support in many forums and you will get a hang of reality..A good step 2 CK scores definitely will increase your chances with your elective and lors,but better to be practical in life..And of course accept one's limitation..I also like you gave everything i could in prep and dont regret the poor scores..may be am just capable of that..so in 2015 when i will apply for the match in peds,i will be happy if any community programme offers me a match because i can accept the fact that some peoiple in this world are better than me and also have pride in the fact that at least i belong to the same league as them to be called Doctors of the state and practising the most advanced medicine alongside them..dude its not a cut throat competetion you are up against,its you who need to stand against your negetive feelings..$$ is not everything,i know too because if even i too stay in my home country i can get a good living(like all other docs in this forum who always get the best living in their own countries)..but its the will to rub your shoulders alongside the best in the business that caries most of us in the USMLE business ..If you have the belief you will make it,whatever the cost..if you doubt self and have higher ambitions than reality,then quitting is an option..but remeber 10 years down the line,you can be repenting when somebody with similar scores somewhere gets matched and post his/her sucess story and you come to read it and only repent the fact that for some $$ you actually left the path..that sorrow,beleive me,will be unparallaled for the rest of the life.hope it helpsdont take me otherwise..Gud luck
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WOW!!!!
What an extensive argument over a 205/85!!!
I can see how much you are depressed so and whatever decision you have taken has been affected by that!
People take a lot of random worthless decisions when they are depressed (as in your case your score), or worried (which you are about getting into university IM programs)

Now don't tell me that i don't have forum manners! I myself have a STEP1 SCORE OF 204/84 (YES, LOWER THAN YOU) and i decided to move ahead!
and guess what! STEP-2CK 246/99
I did make the decision to quit USMLE if my STEP2CK turned out to be low as well.

Now tell me what i should expect!
All my seniors, relatives and forum friends keep telling me now to GO AHEAD for applying to residency because my step1 score will be filtered but my CK score will have some advantage.

Now if i were to think just like you, i might have well lost a 246/99 in CK.

Who knows what the future holds for you? My advise is go ahead, take the risk, and if possible and practical for you, MARRY A US citizen, get a green card (YES, THIS IS PRACTICAL ADVISE and some relatives of mine have used this way, gone through the couples match and even gotten into premier programs like JOHNS HOPKINS (YES, you heard it right Hopkins))~!!!~

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Hello Examtaker...

I can understand ur frustration...
But i want to make a few things clear for you...
If you are decided to get into Residency in US and if u r an IMG... then 1st u shud b prepared to lose some years for ur preparation may b 2-3 or sometimes more... some people can give it in 1yr... but thats a different situation,,,
Next u shud b ready to spend lot of money...
After that u shud also think of alternate options if it doesnt work out after spending so much time and money...
These are the prerequisites for USMLE preparation...
And about the scores... i can jus give my idea...
As far as i know, scores are only required to get u the Interviews and with the score u got u can get interviews... after that ur chances of getting residency will depend a lot on ur performance in the interview and the clinical experience u have and lor`s and lot more other factors...
i saw a lot of people getting into residency with low scores... but they may take an extra year to compensate for their scores with good lor`s or research...
but all this i am telling u is what i heard... i am not into residency yet... i got a score similar to u in my 1st step... but i never lost courage and i focused on my mistakes in the 1st and i got 240+ in my ck... but for this year, i dont have any clin experience... so i am not confident of matching this year...

and also if u want to get into some fellowship, then also u shud finish ur steps.. so i suggest u to finish off ur steps and get ECFMG certified at present and then u can think whether to go for residency or for fellowship some years after...
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and 1 more thing...
all the suggestions u wil get abt USMLE are biased...
those who get matched will give you very much positive reviews
and those who are drop outs will give you very much negative reviews...
jus go according to ur mind... dont get carried by reviews from others...
but take them into consideration to get knowledge abt the system...
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@ above all...
:-)

I dont know how this will change my plan...i mean i will have to think about it...the fellowship route or the residency route...

But one thing is for sure,,,u guys surely know how to cheer a guy up...:-) :-)
THANX A TON!!! some of the posts were really nice..and motivating...
i feel a lot better now about myself.. And yes i am from india :-)
Haha
And cool atomic congrats for ur 246 buddy :-) and no i wont talk about forum manners :-p :-p lol..and sorry to all above...it was just a cranky day for me...
Thanx kinnu ...avash :-)

But guys seriously...why isnt a fellowship route a safer route for me....
I would be playing it safe rite??? Anesthesia in india is easy to get....
Radio might be difficult...
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hey man... plz just donot give up.... just go for ur step2 after that decide, want to continue or quit.... but its just start of ur journey... & u told that u don't know those gyz who r doing residency with low score.. i am sending u one refrence on ur inbox just have a look try to talk with him... this guy had 86 in step one & 97 in step 2 & now he is doing residency in prince george's hospital in internal medicine.. i donot know why u r so upset.. i know in this forum or in whole world people only like to listen sucess stories, they wont listen unsucessful stories so try to make harder urself..... & i hope after 2 years u r writing Ur success story here & more then 100 thanks on Ur post...
I am not expert even i didn't give steps right now but i became very upset after reading Ur post... chill up bro just do Ur step2
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I am agree with you 100%.I am also going through same situation.My step 1 score is 206.Being an IMG it's a low score i know, despite this i am going on this path.
I am really thankful for the people who put there true opinion , experience and
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I havenīt taken any of the steps, iīm a medstudent preparing for the usmle, and itīs true what you said, you always hear all this amazing stories about great scores, but i agree with others you still have step 2 and you have lorīs from an ivy that counts. But at the end you have to make the decision youīre comfortable itīs your life. hope everything works for the best .
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Alright...
I am an img...i was preparing for usmle...gave my step 1 ..got a poor score of 205/85...
I have decided to quit my journey further...cause i see no point in going toward a future..where uncertainity is at its peak...
My seniors didnt help me much either...they said u can try and give it a shot and see if it works for u..make contacts...people at all forums , mostly one doesnt get replies at all..but even if one does they say " ohh i know of this guy who got matched at a score similar to yours in an university / or other programs" but seriously where are these guys...i couldnt find a single guy with low scores who matched in IM...( and please a green card really helps...for people like me...who have no green card there are slim chances)

I know of guys who had low scores didnt got matched...did research...then even didnt got matched...
Some of them took up FM...( they had applied for both)
Actually i have just heard about them...

The deal is ...no one can understand ...they always say yeah do try...its what u always wanted...and these are the guys with 230s score always...
Is there really a point to spend soo many $$ and soo much of time...just to improve ur cv...
Well some of u might disagree..but my aim was to get into a good residency...my aim isnt just going to the usa..

Is there a single guy out there who is an img...with low score...with no green card...with no contacts...just with electives... Maybe a research ...who got matched at an IM program...???


As for me...these were just thoughts accumulated over time...sorry if i discourage anyone...
I will settle for my home md now...maybe do mrcp later and apply in dubai / singapore...or maybe enter usa via the direct fellowship route..if i get in radio / anaesthesia...



All the best all....any replies..( i know hardly anyone replies on posts like these) but still....WILL BE APPRECIATED


i know u may be disappointed however i have 3 of my friends who got much more less in the 2 steps but now residents in good programs they got fellowships first cuz it is man power need by all programs so u can get step 2 and finish your certificate then ask for fellowship ,i am sure u will get it then looking for residency , i know it is a long journey but safe one than residency ,for me i will do this,
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hi...i totally understand your frustration i know 80% of the ppl like to just give advices based on no facts. As far as your quitting is concerned, the decision is totally yours buddy, because at the end of the day, only you know what is best for you. as far as your scores are there, i will not sugarcoat and say you have great chance. yes your chances are less but still they are there. if i were at your place, i would go ahead and take step2 and apply for MPH. i know its a longer route but it works and also you come in contact with lot of people. i can not disclose because of privacy concerns but my friend failed step1 twice and now working as a Nephrologist in Dallas and he did not have contacts.He also went for MPH and did it. as far as NZ, yes USMLE is valid to work there and you don't necessarily have to do long residencies. you work under someone for one year, get paid n then u get ur license as a GP. don't know the rest of the details. But i would still suggest you not to give up n give it a try. its a lot of money but you will always earn it back and also u can take ur home country MD test because u would be reading anyways. good luck and all the best
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Alright...
I am an img...i was preparing for usmle...gave my step 1 ..got a poor score of 205/85...
I have decided to quit my journey further...cause i see no point in going toward a future..where uncertainity is at its peak...
My seniors didnt help me much either...they said u can try and give it a shot and see if it works for u..make contacts...people at all forums , mostly one doesnt get replies at all..but even if one does they say " ohh i know of this guy who got matched at a score similar to yours in an university / or other programs" but seriously where are these guys...i couldnt find a single guy with low scores who matched in IM...( and please a green card really helps...for people like me...who have no green card there are slim chances)

I know of guys who had low scores didnt got matched...did research...then even didnt got matched...
Some of them took up FM...( they had applied for both)
Actually i have just heard about them...

The deal is ...no one can understand ...they always say yeah do try...its what u always wanted...and these are the guys with 230s score always...
Is there really a point to spend soo many $$ and soo much of time...just to improve ur cv...
Well some of u might disagree..but my aim was to get into a good residency...my aim isnt just going to the usa..

Is there a single guy out there who is an img...with low score...with no green card...with no contacts...just with electives... Maybe a research ...who got matched at an IM program...???


As for me...these were just thoughts accumulated over time...sorry if i discourage anyone...
I will settle for my home md now...maybe do mrcp later and apply in dubai / singapore...or maybe enter usa via the direct fellowship route..if i get in radio / anaesthesia...



All the best all....any replies..( i know hardly anyone replies on posts like these) but still....WILL BE APPRECIATED
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@ above all...
:-)

I dont know how this will change my plan...i mean i will have to think about it...the fellowship route or the residency route...

But one thing is for sure,,,u guys surely know how to cheer a guy up...:-) :-)
THANX A TON!!! some of the posts were really nice..and motivating...
i feel a lot better now about myself.. And yes i am from india :-)
Haha
And cool atomic congrats for ur 246 buddy :-) and no i wont talk about forum manners :-p :-p lol..and sorry to all above...it was just a cranky day for me...
Thanx kinnu ...avash :-)

But guys seriously...why isnt a fellowship route a safer route for me....
I would be playing it safe rite??? Anesthesia in india is easy to get....
Radio might be difficult...
@examtaker...better to go the conventional way..if you ask me..see some posts in this forum about fellowship without residency..and you will get it..this pathway(retrograde procress) is mostly for those fellowship programmes that have unfulfilled spots like endocrine,nephrology..most competetive fellowships are fulfilled by residents...so yes if you are eyeing for such a stream its okay,but still you see IM from any community programme too can get you the same fellowship..plus residency for 3 years will widen up your spectrum what you really want to be in future...which fellowship you will love for the sake of work,not big name or money..that will not be present in direct fellowship and retrograde processplus most people do it the conventional way bcoz residents salary is less than fellows..so they go ascending process and after spending life in 60-70k$ for 2 years it will be hell lot difficult to spend life on 50k$ for 3 years..in descending ordernever mind..with your score IM residency is available in community hospitals(and please dont cry thinking its community hospitals)...fellowships can be done from virtually everywhere..just need contacts..the road to stardom never ends...u can always do ur fellowship from SJHU,Stanford or Brown..and what will you prefer??A GP in IM from some mid tier programme(uni affiliated community program) or a fellowship from Ivy league college after residency from a so-so community hospital??choice is yours...gud luck
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i do not think its valid in Aus. acc to my knowledge , you need to take AMC test which by the way does not include the basic sciences. but i would not suggest you to change ur focus. i totally believe that u deserve a good shot on it n forget about going through the fellowship way. that is more theory n less action. Just do what is there in frint of u right now. n as u said u believe in destiny, u will get it if u r destined even with 204. God bless you

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And particularly aussies are very particular about it...its not easy man...
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Partially I will agree with examtaker first of all, never compromise what you want to be; if you want to go for surgery; go for it but do not compromise what you love doing it and enjoy it. To the all people in this forum nobody can change anybody's mind; they have to change themselves. I get to travel so many country and I know how good life they live as a doctor.
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Every yr residents apply for fellowships...but as usual...all of the seats are not taken....esp the ones in so so areas...or a non fancy branch...they amg doesnt aim for that....neither do the imgs with residency there

Or

In branches like radio / anesthesia where residents get a much higher pay package outside...( > 250 vs 50 in fellowship)

So these seats one can apply for...u need to be ecfmg certified...
Generally these fellowhips are of 1 to 3 yrs...but if u manage to convince them to let u do a 4 yr one...u are board eligible...and if u bass board qualified...without the residency..
Or if u manage to get even a 1 yr fellowship with 3 yrs of teaching job
Or if u manage to do multiple 1 yr fellowships bht in the same hospital/uni

Another way is retro...do fellowship then convince ur PD to take u into residency..again...this is another way...but yeah..ur juniors will be ur seniors then :-p
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Fellowships without Residency?

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But have u guys ever noticed...why dont we see a guy who got matched at a low score...putting his credentials at the forum...why do we always " know someone" who did it... :-p
The respense anyway has been huge...good to see a lot of us fave the same problem...but are still continuing there journey...and some of us are pessimistic about things...and the time and money involved to improve ir cv...

I woukd still stick to my plan...and i think most pessimistic guys there will agree....
If u got bad scores....why not do ur residency in ur own country...and then try for fellowship...if u succeed...aweosme...
If u dont...atlast u have a job back home waiting for u...or maybe u can still do ur mrcp...apply for other countries...
Why go the mph way and take the burden..There is no garentee that mph is a way through ..and u land inresidency...
What if after trying for 3 yrs ( as some guys with poor scores and mph do)
U end up saying...okay fine..i ak ok as a mph...i am still earnng > 80k
I am satisfied...then??


If u got good scores...way to go!!
Ur chances increase...

In the end its all just a gamble...u play ur cards...and it depends what cards ( scores) u gt :-)
And its ur wish...u wanna take up a high risk gamble with poor cards...which will make u a very rich and a very successful person...
Or a safer one...which might or might not work but u still have nothing to loose :-)
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But have u guys ever noticed...why dont we see a guy who got matched at a low score...putting his credentials at the forum...why do we always " know someone" who did it... :-p
The respense anyway has been huge...good to see a lot of us fave the same problem...but are still continuing there journey...and some of us are pessimistic about things...and the time and money involved to improve ir cv...

I woukd still stick to my plan...and i think most pessimistic guys there will agree....
If u got bad scores....why not do ur residency in ur own country...and then try for fellowship...if u succeed...aweosme...
If u dont...atlast u have a job back home waiting for u...or maybe u can still do ur mrcp...apply for other countries...
Why go the mph way and take the burden..There is no garentee that mph is a way through ..and u land inresidency...
What if after trying for 3 yrs ( as some guys with poor scores and mph do)
U end up saying...okay fine..i ak ok as a mph...i am still earnng > 80k
I am satisfied...then??


If u got good scores...way to go!!
Ur chances increase...

In the end its all just a gamble...u play ur cards...and it depends what cards ( scores) u gt :-)
And its ur wish...u wanna take up a high risk gamble with poor cards...which will make u a very rich and a very successful person...
Or a safer one...which might or might not work but u still have nothing to loose :-)
http://www.prep4usmle.com/forum/thread/109608/
Look at SUN MD 's credential...he still matched...several such threads exist..have gone through them..buddy i can feel your pain..and matching with low scores is a probability and i can site another example of a guy in this forum only with high 250+ scores in Step 1 and CK,waiting for 2 years to get a match..scores are vital but step 2 ck can cover it up sometimes
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this guy I know got 146 on his step, I swear 146 second time got 196, he is matched this year.
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this guy I know got 146 on his step, I swear 146 second time got 196, he is matched this year.

Okay was he an amg or an img ??? Did he have a green card
What were his scores in ck and did he clear cs at 1 st attempt
Did he knew any of the program directors personally ?
Did he do any path breaking research which may have been published in lhe lancet ???
Did he match in his 1st attempt ??
Did he had awesome credentials in his cv during med school ???

If the answer is no !!
I would love to meet this guy :-)
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Hi steptaker, I don't know how to say it better ......GO FOR IT!!!! ya, the present situation is harsh for you but its worth anything to comeback....... Getting into residensy needs a wholesome overall performer........its not just step1 score......prepare well for part 2....
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Hi steptaker, I don't know how to say it better ......GO FOR IT!!!! ya, the present situation is harsh for you but its worth anything to comeback....... Getting into residensy needs a wholesome overall performer........its not just step1 score......prepare well for part 2....
Its exam - taker ladyyyyyy :-p
Okay jokes apart no ya' what if i dont make it... Then wait another yr
Do research .../ do mhp
Apply again ... I know a guy who had low scores and applied 3 times till he got in !!!
But wont it be a bit too much???
One can always try for fellowships !!!
Safe path :-)
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Its exam - taker ladyyyyyy :-p
Okay jokes apart no ya' what if i dont make it... Then wait another yr
Do research .../ do mhp
Apply again ... I know a guy who had low scores and applied 3 times till he got in !!!
But wont it be a bit too much???
One can always try for fellowships !!!
Safe path :-)
sorry.......my mistake I got ur name wrong. And profile name doesnt specify one's gender. I am a 46XY ( just a randomly chosen one, ya sounds girly, ill change it soon). I read the comments by other friends/doctors. They all are trying to encourage ya, very honest and realistic words but you are backfiring them with same questions .........some guys with 99 do not match either (ya I know one)........ You have a low score means you have a higher risk and the path is worn one but not enough to make you abort your journy. Friend its very unwise to bid goodbye before taking step2.... The other back up plans are still there... Depends upon how badly you want to get into us for residency . It may take one more year, but u can carry on if you think its worth the time. Listen to yourself and make a wise move.
GOOD LUCK MAN......
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sorry.......my mistake I got ur name wrong. And profile name doesnt specify one's gender. I am a 46XY ( just a randomly chosen one, ya sounds girly, ill change it soon). I read the comments by other friends/doctors. They all are trying to encourage ya, very honest and realistic words but you are backfiring them with same questions .........some guys with 99 do not match either (ya I know one)........ You have a low score means you have a higher risk and the path is worn one but not enough to make you abort your journy. Friend its very unwise to bid goodbye before taking step2.... The other back up plans are still there... Depends upon how badly you want to get into us for residency . It may take one more year, but u can carry on if you think its worth the time. Listen to yourself and make a wise move.
GOOD LUCK MAN......
Sorry about the gender confusion..ya the name is a bit girly :-p
Anyhow...well thanku for ur advice ... :-)

Hmm ... The advices have been great...it has forced me to google again ...

But, i am not backfiring ... I am just putting up what i feel ...
And i ak sure there must a lot of guys feeling the same..

Anyways ..u seem to be knowledgble..
Do u have any idea about pharmacology in the states???
Like we have md pharma in india...
Is there a similar degree there??? Or is it just b pharma guys who take rounds with the clinicians,,,
Cause when i was there i met a lot of pharma guys as well...but i am not sure wheather they are pharmacologists or pharmacists
And if there is such a degree ...is it easily available !!?? Via usmle route ??
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Sorry about the gender confusion..ya the name is a bit girly :-p
Anyhow...well thanku for ur advice ... :-)

Hmm ... The advices have been great...it has forced me to google again ...

But, i am not backfiring ... I am just putting up what i feel ...
And i ak sure there must a lot of guys feeling the same..

Anyways ..u seem to be knowledgble..
Do u have any idea about pharmacology in the states???
Like we have md pharma in india...
Is there a similar degree there??? Or is it just b pharma guys who take rounds with the clinicians,,,
Cause when i was there i met a lot of pharma guys as well...but i am not sure wheather they are pharmacologists or pharmacists
And if there is such a degree ...is it easily available !!?? Via usmle route ??
dude! are you serious about the pharma thing? because if you are really so desperate and anxious to move to the states, i think u better take up Family medicine, because the best reason being you will still be a doctor and treat patients and even then you will earn more than a pharmacist, and the best part, getting into FM residency is the easiest.
U mean that in India, you can be a pharmacist after your MBBS? Why would anyone want to do that because getting into and completing pharmacology is definitely easier, cheaper and less competitive than medicine.
And btw, about your question, there is NO way you can do a post grad degree in pharma with an MBBS or MD in the USA. They just don't fit and even if you are a doctor, you will still need a bachelor's in pharma just do even apply.
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dude! are you serious about the pharma thing? because if you are really so desperate and anxious to move to the states, i think u better take up Family medicine, because the best reason being you will still be a doctor and treat patients and even then you will earn more than a pharmacist, and the best part, getting into FM residency is the easiest.
U mean that in India, you can be a pharmacist after your MBBS? Why would anyone want to do that because getting into and completing pharmacology is definitely easier, cheaper and less competitive than medicine.
And btw, about your question, there is NO way you can do a post grad degree in pharma with an MBBS or MD in the USA. They just don't fit and even if you are a doctor, you will still need a bachelor's in pharma just do even apply.
Hmm... No i am not desperate for states... After all of this ...i am just looking for alternatives...u know...its better to know stuff...
Thank you for ur advice...

Okay what about PM & R ?....another residency i am totally unaware of...
I heard the scores required are even less than fm ??

So even if i take all my exams...i can apply for IM/Fm/Pm &R
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Hmm... No i am not desperate for states... After all of this ...i am just looking for alternatives...u know...its better to know stuff...
Thank you for ur advice...

Okay what about PM & R ?....another residency i am totally unaware of...
I heard the scores required are even less than fm ??

So even if i take all my exams...i can apply for IM/Fm/Pm &R
You can actually apply for over 40 different types of residencies! Google "Freida" and check all residencies on this website.
Pm&r specializes in sports injuries and rehab stuff and i don't think the pay is good there too, and so, its easier to get into. Another is psychiatry which is also gettable. These are the stuff that AMG's don't like much because they don't pay very well........about 100,000$ to 150,000$ per year compared to anesthesiology and ortho surgery which goes to about 350,000$ p.a. so its your choice after all.
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Okay u gys will now think i must be crazy...
But how about i apply with just my step 1 scpre this yr in sep
I ve got step 1 .. 2 ivy league lors ( pretty good ones )
Plus 2 home country lors , i was alright in my med school ..acadmcally
And i ve got 1 research in my name ...
And i have been to muliple seminars and presented it as well and got certificates for that ( best poster and best oral presentation )

I will apply to the least wanted community hospitals... Any img friendly any state ..even alaska
All IM /FM programs... No pm & r :-p
What say!!! Are my chances 0 ???
Or will i have something...
I can complete the steps later on ... If i get an interview... ( this is soo against what i planned :-p )
Or should i visit a psych :-p
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Okay u gys will now think i must be crazy...
But how about i apply with just my step 1 scpre this yr in sep
I ve got step 1 .. 2 ivy league lors ( pretty good ones )
Plus 2 home country lors , i was alright in my med school ..acadmcally
And i ve got 1 research in my name ...
And i have been to muliple seminars and presented it as well and got certificates for that ( best poster and best oral presentation )

I will apply to the least wanted community hospitals... Any img friendly any state ..even alaska
All IM /FM programs... No pm & r :-p
What say!!! Are my chances 0 ???
Or will i have something...
I can complete the steps later on ... If i get an interview... ( this is soo against what i planned :-p )
Or should i visit a psych :-p

I can partially relate to what you are going through and I truly sympathize.
I have not taken the exam yet but did so badly on the practice test that I wanted to push myself off the cliff. Since then I have come up with such exotic plans and more.

I have also come to a conclusion that 'Life is a BITCH'...

Though I do not have any suggestions on what you should do next... you should definitely give 'thinking a break!'....
Take a sedative and sleep if required.

Thanks to all the above posters it was encouraging to read what you had to say.
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Okay u gys will now think i must be crazy...
But how about i apply with just my step 1 scpre this yr in sep
I ve got step 1 .. 2 ivy league lors ( pretty good ones )
Plus 2 home country lors , i was alright in my med school ..acadmcally
And i ve got 1 research in my name ...
And i have been to muliple seminars and presented it as well and got certificates for that ( best poster and best oral presentation )

I will apply to the least wanted community hospitals... Any img friendly any state ..even alaska
All IM /FM programs... No pm & r :-p
What say!!! Are my chances 0 ???
Or will i have something...
I can complete the steps later on ... If i get an interview... ( this is soo against what i planned :-p )
Or should i visit a psych :-p
I don't think that you will be offered interviews because most programs need you to be ECFMG certified at the time of application (steps 1, 2CK and 2CS).
There are some programs which let you to do CS later but even that should be done by the time of the match (You MUST be ECFMG certified by match day), although it is theoretically possible to apply with just step-1 scores, maybe you could get interviews if it was 280 or something like that.
Personally, i think its a huge waste of money and time. Applying to 1 residency program costs 20$/30$ so calculate. There are over 350 IM and 450 FM programs in FREIDA.

Only US AMG's apply with step1 scores. We need to complete all steps, (sometimes even STEP-3 for H1B visa). So why take the risk?
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Shucks :-(

Okay ... What do u guys think of phd courses like phd in Biochem/ pathology / biological sciences / pharmacology ??? Etc

( trying to make this thread informative )

What are my options if apply after my phd !!!
Or even if i dont apply or if i do not get matched...how is life in usa as a phd ???! It should be better than mph ?? Rite ??
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what after doing your post graduation you apply i think that would be better you wil also be on safe side
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and as far as phd is concern it simply your choice ther is no gurantee even after that and you start feeling as if you are no more a doctor and it will take 5 years of your life
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hey man... plz just donot give up.... just go for ur step2 after that decide, want to continue or quit.... but its just start of ur journey... & u told that u don't know those gyz who r doing residency with low score.. i am sending u one refrence on ur inbox just have a look try to talk with him... this guy had 86 in step one & 97 in step 2 & now he is doing residency in prince george's hospital in internal medicine.. i donot know why u r so upset.. i know in this forum or in whole world people only like to listen sucess stories, they wont listen unsucessful stories so try to make harder urself..... & i hope after 2 years u r writing Ur success story here & more then 100 thanks on Ur post...
I am not expert even i didn't give steps right now but i became very upset after reading Ur post... chill up bro just do Ur step2
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hello, can you plz give me your email or send me our friends email too. ? I am in the same the situation and in desperate need of help !
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i need a little advice. i got my score of step 1 which is 201.
and i know its not good. i am really worried. can someone help me out here. should i go for step 2? and if yes.. what programmes should i aim for? as i heard internal medicine closes at 220.
i dont have any american lors...can anyone help me with references n stuff?
i was wondering that if i get 2-3 observerships that might help?
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i need a little advice. i got my score of step 1 which is 201.
and i know its not good. i am really worried. can someone help me out here. should i go for step 2? and if yes.. what programmes should i aim for? as i heard internal medicine closes at 220.
i dont have any american lors...can anyone help me with references n stuff?
i was wondering that if i get 2-3 observerships that might help?
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I am assumung u r an img...( maybe from india ) otherwise...this will not help u
Alright....look this u would have to agree...that the score isnt the best of the scores...for im u are low ranking candidate..for fm...u might be okay...
Now it all depends how desperate u are to get into usa...

If u really wanna go there...then i would say work for it...ur step 1 score is nt good...i know u might be depressed as well...
But u need to score high on step 2 ck amd clear cs in one go...ck is compartively easier exam...u should have a reason why u couldnt score in step 1....
With this score u can apply to all community programs...and try ur luck...ivy / any univ program...would be wayyy outta league....
Second problem is now pre match isnt there...so u really cant impress someone...via a good performnce in an elective or something like that...
( still u can try that and tell the pd that u are willing to apply )

Try takung ur step 3 as well....and then apply...
The road is residency is tough for u...not a cakewalk....
Be ready to face rejections....
But u never know...some programs may even consider...for eg the program at san jose hospital in perto rico....it doesnt participate in the match... Rite...
U have to apply to them directly...they mention any score even ..u should have just passed...perto rico..isnt one of the places...where an amg would apply....so u have a chance here....
But the majority of poeple there speak spanish....so u may wanna learn that !!!

Okay secondly, if u dont make it...( after all ur steps )
U can do ur mph...give ur gre...get in mph...this will add depth to ur cv....u will have presentations...etc
..plus u will meet a lot of pds...so u can ask them
Pay is 60-80k

U can also give gre ( before all ur steps ) and try for a phd in subjects like micro, medical pharma, biology life sciences, etc etc...i can mail u the list of relevant phds....in phd...1 st 3 sems are tuff...after that u are easy....adv over mph is u get paid ( 30000-40000$ )
So its a cheaper way...but it take 5 yrs....
And the pay after phd is just 10-15k than a internal medicine guy
U even if u complete ur steps...u should not leave phd / mph in between....that puts a bad remark on ur cv....

But think of this....all these big univ...need doc who scientists as well....u never know the guide u are under...may recommnd u to the pd...for the residency...


Last point....u can go for ur fellowship....do pg here ...and then go for a non accridited fellowship...for 1 -2 yrs....amgs will never apply for a non accridited one...as they need to work there...
U can...and after wards...look for another one for 1-2 yrs,...try for a job in the remote areaa of usa....if not come back to ur own country...and practice ...u already have a pg here..:-)



I know the times are difficukt for u know...have been there....but u need to think....what is the best plan for u....dont go by others....dont be like a sheep in the herd...and follow everyone...
Usa is NOT THE END OF THE WORLD!!! think man think!!! U can have a better life as a doc anywhere :-)
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