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from what i heard is AMG > Canadian MG >US citizen IMG > Canadian Citizen IMG > and everybody else.

but Step scores also do matter.
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from what i heard is AMG > Canadian MG >US citizen IMG > Canadian Citizen IMG > and everybody else.

but Step scores also do matter.
Damn. I hate being last place at anything! :/
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From what I heard

US MD > US DO > US IMG > Foreign/Foreign
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and even the 'everybody else' in the end type IMG I have heard if you are European it helps more than being from Pakistan or india..
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and even the 'everybody else' in the end type IMG I have heard if you are European it helps more than being from Pakistan or india..
Why is that so?
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more prestigious/better teaching/better standards medical schools in Europe.
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IMG/FMG are all the same, difference is that, US citizens/PR can apply to programs that do not offer Visa. that is it.

a program that offers Visa does not care about anything.

they will not rank based on Visa status.

If your from a prestigous european medical school vs Dow or SBMU is about Scores first.

For the last time this is how they rank.

1) Step Scores
2) IV Score
3) CV/PS score
4) LOR scores

guess what everyone has good/excellent #2-4

they use a computer program. if you google PD ranking handbook it shows how the software works. based on your score you are ranked.

the program who offer visa do not care about you having a Citizenship, they know after J1 most likely you will return to home country.


So do not think if you are Citizen you will match, 50-48% will not match
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I don't think your nationality matters. It goes like this:

US graduates > All non-US grads who don't require a visa > All non-US grads who require a visa.
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I don't think your nationality matters. It goes like this:

US graduates > All non-US grads who don't require a visa > All non-US grads who require a visa.

Once again, if the program gives visa they do not care for US/FMG_IMG status.
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this thread should be moved to residency section
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Hey Shima. I guess you are not accurate this time. US citizenship and green card is a factor like other factors in your application (USMLEs, grades, name of your school, publications, letters (not just letters, many things are behind the word "letters"), extracurricular activities related to the field, hobbies)

The other point, trust me, if you attend a school in western europe, then you would get interviews that I guy from Middle East/ Pakistan/ India with similar credentials, would not get.

Let's make it easier. The cutoff step 1 score for internal medicine at Harvard hospitals and Hopkins is not above 235-240. They consider those applicants with that range of 235s and 240s from a similar tier schools like UCSF, Stanford, U of Washington...etc, but they will not consider those with similar scores from low tier schools like Drexel, Marshall, Toledo...etc. And if they want to consider few, if any, from those schools, applicants need to have 250s and more research, honoring clinical rotations at the desired place...etc.

I always say it, and repeat it again and again...if you are an IMG and want to match at a particular institution, you HAVE to be more superior than the other AMGs they accept.

Another sentence I always repeat, all factors that I mentioned, at the beginning of my post above, are looked at and evaluated. The biggest and most killer mistake that IMGs think the only important factor is USMLEs and don't pay attention to the other factors. That's why the majority of IMGs match at low profile institutions where American graduated would not consider regardless of how bad those AMGs are.
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Hey Shima. I guess you are not accurate this time. US citizenship and green card is a factor like other factors in your application (USMLEs, grades, name of your school, publications, letters (not just letters, many things are behind the word "letters"), extracurricular activities related to the field, hobbies)

The other point, trust me, if you attend a school in western europe, then you would get interviews that I guy from Middle East/ Pakistan/ India with similar credentials, would not get.

Let's make it easier. The cutoff step 1 score for internal medicine at Harvard hospitals and Hopkins is not above 235-240. They consider those applicants with that range of 235s and 240s from a similar tier schools like UCSF, Stanford, U of Washington...etc, but they will not consider those with similar scores from low tier schools like Drexel, Marshall, Toledo...etc. And if they want to consider few, if any, from those schools, applicants need to have 250s and more research, honoring clinical rotations at the desired place...etc.

I always say it, and repeat it again and again...if you are an IMG and want to match at a particular institution, you HAVE to be more superior than the other AMGs they accept.

Another sentence I always repeat, all factors that I mentioned, at the beginning of my post above, are looked at and evaluated. The biggest and most killer mistake that IMGs think the only important factor is USMLEs and don't pay attention to the other factors. That's why the majority of IMGs match at low profile institutions where American graduated would not consider regardless of how bad those AMGs are.
I understand your point, but i must disagree

Schools in Middle east like, Dow SBMU, TUMS, AghaKhan, Manipal, Sackler, Jordon, so many others are held so high up there.

Manipal, Sackler, send students to NY to do CLinical rotations.

Indian Medical Graduate make 14% of US physicians, followed by Pakistan, Iran so other middle east school.

Take a look at any school and see if you can find graduates of them working in USA.

Some might say due to increase in number of students these countries produce many doctors.

From my Class of 100 people [lets say] almost 71 of them are matched in US/Canada and the rest will match this year. 5-6 people who stayed back home all got Nuc/Med, Optho or Orthopedic surgery.

Now FYI:

This year I saw some students from Ireland, Poland, Hungry [US Citizens who studied abroad] who had marks of 220-230 not match. In matter of fact some dude and girl from Pakistan Dow college matched to FM and IM programs of these University.

48% or more I am not sure of US-IMG did not match, 50% of non-US-IMG did not match.

The number one reason is Marks.

PD do not care to make friends with you, they want some one who knows his/her thing and will not fail the board.

US-health care system works on J-1 visas , if it wouldnt they would match 100% of US-IMG first.

now another example,

one of my friends who has GC with marks of 228/219/209 this year with 5 IV did not match, she had IV with my other friend with marks of 238/241 needed Visa, who matched to the program the other friend ranked number 1.
Sad, yes but is the way of life.

When you think of US residency you have to think of High marks, 240+ if lower even if the White house writes you a letter you will not match.

I hope everyone reaches their dream, but is always good to be realistic,

if I had marks lower than mean, or failed attempts I would have quit.

"I know the risk when I started this game."
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Once again, if the program gives visa they do not care for US/FMG_IMG status.
Of course. I only meant this in terms of chances of getting a residency. The chances of getting a residency would obviously increase with the increase in the options of programs to apply for.

I agree with you that it is very unlikely that the administration of any hospital would ask the PD to not rank an individual only because of his nationality. If the program is giving out visas, all non-US grad applicants are the same to them.

US grads are preferred by all programs - even those that offer visas. Because they have more exposure to US healthcare system (compare 2 years of US clinicals with 2 months of USCE), better LORs (obviously a US doc who observes you for 2 years is more likely to write a better LOR than someone who has seen you for 2 months only), their institutions are well-reputed (it is unlikely that even the best medical college of another country has the similar reputation as is of Harvard, for example. This would definitely impress the PD), US publications, volunteer work in known organizations (US organizations would obviously be better known by the PDs) and most importantly alpha omega alpha membership (an honor society which ONLY accepts US students - its considered a very prestigious honor and PDs value it a lot).
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Of course. I only meant this in terms of chances of getting a residency. The chances of getting a residency would obviously increase with the increase in the options of programs to apply for.

I agree with you that it is very unlikely that the administration of any hospital would ask the PD to not rank an individual only because of his nationality. If the program is giving out visas, all non-US grad applicants are the same to them.

US grads are preferred by all programs - even those that offer visas. Because they have more exposure to US healthcare system (compare 2 years of US clinicals with 2 months of USCE), better LORs (obviously a US doc who observes you for 2 years is more likely to write a better LOR than someone who has seen you for 2 months only), their institutions are well-reputed (it is unlikely that even the best medical college of another country has the similar reputation as is of Harvard, for example. This would definitely impress the PD), US publications, volunteer work in known organizations (US organizations would obviously be better known by the PDs) and most importantly alpha omega alpha membership (an honor society which ONLY accepts US students - its considered a very prestigious honor and PDs value it a lot).

ooh for sure in that term
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