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Well, well well..Finally, its behind me (and I hope it stays there and don't have to revisit it )

Let me share a few thoughts.

Time to prepare: 6 and a half month
Graduation Year : 2012
Materials:
-Kaplan videos + books from 2010
-Pathoma
-Goljan Notes (the 36 page one, didnt read them all, just a quick review)
-Netter now and then just to look at some muscles/neuro.
-First Aid 2012
-UWorld
And thats about it..Nothing more, nothing less!!!!

My Stats
UW Stratified Analysis (i.e only taking into account the Timed+Unused ones, and getting an average): 77%
UW standard cumulative(i.e the one that appears in UW normally) : 85%
UWSA1, 1.5 months before, at 50% UW : 257
NBME 15, 15 days before exam : 252
UWSA2, 6 days before exam : 265
NBME 13, 2 days before exam : 250
Real exam: Hopefully, a pass; Will let you know after 3 weeks. Wish me luck :sorry:

Some notes about the materials:
-Kaplan books are MORE than enough in most subjects. But please, SKIP Pathology...it sucks! Unless you are taking a live course of Barone, who btw is AMAZING, the online lectures(both of 2007 and 2010) are not worth it..nor the book. I recommend Pathoma. I tried both, but Kaplan Path is just too boring, and sometimes too low yield.

-PLEASE SKIP KAPLAN MICROBIOLOGY. First aid is MORE THAN enough for Micro. I had this feeling that I will miss something important. Well, the thing about micro is that its only memorization, and that is done best through mnemonics which are plenty in First Aid. I am not saying the lectures aren't good. They are great, and she teaches them in an amazing way. Its just too much information, and you wont remember ANY of it when you start FA. So if you really want to do Micro, do it from First aid. You do however need to watch Immunology, and Microbial Genetics, also HIV/Hepatatis stuff. All the rest is just waste of time!

-Pathoma is great for Path. He touches on most aspect, but leaves out some crucial ones. He is weak in some cases of Neuro.

-FA. I kinda love this book, and hate this book. Why? The first review of it will easily take 20-30 days! No, I AM NOT KIDDING. And the second review, well about 8-10 days. AND IT WILL BE SO BORING! And you will get pissed off, every time you are reviewing and you see some **** that you don't remember reading the first time. And the third review, GOD you will HATE it, it becomes so painful to read it and then you get pissed off even more when you look at some random things in Cardio that you don't recall! I am not saying its a bad book. Its great, but reviewing it takes patience.

-Finally, Goljan. Every time I thought about doing Goljan, I said to myself the audio lectures and notes are quite old (they are from 2001). So, I didn't listen to his lectures. Nor his book. I did go through some of the HY pages (the 36 ones). But, here is the funny thing about Goljan. After I did my NBME and Uworld, and read his 36 pages HY notes, I found many thing mentioned in his notes. Its surprising, that Goljan notes are STILL USEFUL. So, should you listen to them? If you get time, ABSOLUTELY! Are his notes really important? Well you can pass the exam without his notes, but once you do all the material and listen to his audio/read his notes, you will see he links all of those stuff so amazingly....its like he is one of the test-writers. He knows exactly whats important, and whats not. Of course, he goes overkill, and gives you TOO MUCH detail in some instances. So, it all comes down to recall. Thats why I prefer if you get time to listen to the audio after you've done most of the material. His review book of 600 pages is great, but the real question is how much can you recall? So judge accordingly.

My Technique
Basically, I finished all the lectures/books. Took some notes in my books. Then I started FA and it took about a month. I went back to the books, and copied some of the notes into FA. Which was kinda of a bad idea, since in the end my FA was filled with useless notes from Kaplan, and some notes from UW, and in the end I cudn't know which was high yield or not. Anyway, it turned out to be useful in the long run, since if I didn't understand a concept, I could easily go to FA and review it without the need to open Kaplan ever again. So, in short I condensed everything from all kaplan lectures into my FA. Its my bible of medicine now. It has all these weird and kool facts. Seems nice, but wait till you start doing UW. Then you won't have space to fit in all those notes.

A common problem is when you start UW, should you make a separate notebook or jot all the info in FA? There are pros and cons to it. I decided to make a separate book. Its good since these are truly the high yield stuff I HAVE TO KNOW. The information won't get buried down somewhere in FA, and I can review it at ease compared to the killing review of FA. Bad, because once you are reviewing FA, you will want to link some of the info to UW, and then you will begin the tiresome process of finding that one obscured fact you once encountered in UW, lying somewhere in the heap of notes you took(oh, UW notes! I finished a book and a half of 200 pages each, all just UW notes). So decide whats best for you.

After my FA, I did UW. At 50% I took an assessment, review FA again, and then continued till 92%. Then I did a third review of FA, and went back and finished UW. Took an NBME, and then the last days I was so bored to go over FA again and decided not to revise it at all. Instead I did something that I don't regret. I did ALL the NBME in the last days. They are really useful, and help you pin down all that information in your head. If you get time, be sure to do them. And dont be afraid of them.

I'll talk more about the technique later. There is so much more to write, and I have so many things to share. Let me tell about the exam a bit.

About the exam:

I keep hearing people saying on the forums "Its about concept", and I never understood that terminology. Well, for one, the exam is NOT TOUGH as you might think it to be. It APPEARS tough because of the immense consequences that we envision if something goes wrong. It APPEARS tough because we envision it to be a dragon that is going to chew on our flesh for 8 straight hours. Well folks, to tell you the truth, this dragon was completely 'slayable'. With the right technique and practice of questions, you get the ability to pick out the right questions from wrong ones. As for concepts, most of the stuff is covered in UW. FA does cover them, and if you have done good review of Path, you are all set for it.

But, if you are thinking the exam is testing your knowledge, I am sorry to say, YOU ARE WRONG. The exam is about 2 things actually - Endurance and Decision making.

So many times you will come across a question that you know the answer, but when you look at the choices, you are led astray by the distractors. My advise on how to tackle them is to read the question, and guess the answer, and look down. If you find your choice, IT MOST PROBABLY is the right answer. Of course, do check it again and have a quick mental check. Many times, you will see and realize (and laugh out sometimes ), that had you clicked the option that came into your mind, you would have fallen into the pit wrought by the examiner!

As for endurance, you really have to build a stamina for it. The last days, I was so used to doing 4 blocks every day, that the exam felt like any other day. Thats why I highly recommend that in the last days, every day just do questions. I didn't revise FA; my last revision was in the beginning of May. After that, I only did UW wrong/marked questions and NBME's. It really helped build my stamina and lock in the facts of FA.

Knowledge. NO, the USMLE is not trying to trick you as UW does. Is it testing really new stuff? Not exactly. ITS THE SAME OLD CONCEPTS, tested in a NEW manner. Nothing has changed. Even the exam question stems were not that long as I was thinking them to be. The exam was much easier compared to UW. UW, is just a nightmare, but a good one. It helps you know so many concepts, and its just fantastic! Most of the questions in exam were straight forward, classic cases, with many using the common buzzwords. Even the biostat questions were not that difficult as you might think it to be. Some simple calculations, pretty straightforward. It did have some psych cases that were kinda weird. I would say the difficulty was that of the NBME, with 4-5 questions in every block with a UW like thing to it. The thing about the exam is that in every block, you will have 6-7 WTF questions. But, you see thats the trick. The exam tries everything to ruin your confidence. It will give you questions out of no where, and rest assured, YOU WILL GET QUESTIONS THAT YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE TO. But, trust me, in the whole exam, even questions like this, if you read through you can come to a sensible and hopefully the right answer. The key is not to panic, and give it your best shot. The exam is designed to test your patience, and how your decision in later questions get affected by these strange question.

And NO, they don't give you those many media questions. Some pictures were just plain easy, and some pictures were quite strange, but heck, I wasn't gonna waste my time on one strange picture. Surprisingly, I didnt have any sequential questions. I dont know why, but not a single one.

In the end, one thing I'll like to remind everyone. Its OKAY to be wrong. Its OKAY to NOT know everything. You can do the exam even if you don't know all those night icky-picky details. The exam is not so picky-the questions test the general stuff more than the exact details. In fact, while my time studying for it, I made the mistake of following into details so many times that I forgot the general simple concepts. Thats the thing I realized while I did NBME. I was good in handling difficult questions. But I always lost marks in the simple ones. So, my advise is to know the general stuff really well, then dig into the details to help your concepts.

Aright that was long. I have soooooooooooo much to share, but I guess after I get my results, I'll be better able to advise, and reflect on my mistakes. I'll tell about my exam day, and how it went. And more...!

Wish me luck guys!!!:sorry:
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how many times did you do kaplan books? i think 2x is enough not sure though. good luck for your results...
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thanks for sharing your experience, i am worried about Pathoma. I am reading goljan but i feel its an overkill so i am watching pathoma videos and doing its notes. I see that you saod he is missing on crucial points, can u explain this? and what do you suggest i should do for Pathology? i can't read so many books rather i master one book.
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how many times did you do kaplan books? i think 2 times is enough not sure though. good luck for your results...
Nope, only 1 time. The thing about Kaplan book is, YOU DONT KNOW WHATS HIGH YIELD. So, DONT waste time on them. Get the main ideas, and then move on.

You will see, once you do FA, and then start doing UW, everything will start making sense.

Besides, so many of the things are not there in Kaplan notes. That doesn't mean you shouldn't grind them properly. What I mean by concepts is, for eg, know how to read graphs of Cardiac function curves or Ventricular pressure diagrams. Know the important molecular paths like G proteins or Insulin transduction etc. This is what I mean by knowing the main ideas. All those very specific details, dont worry if you dont remember them. In fact, ITS NORMAL TO FORGET 90% of everything you read in Kaplan.

I forgot almost all of it after 4 months, but I retained some of the main ideas, which were later reinforced by UW. So dont worry, UW WILL help you in nailing them down!
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thanks for sharing your experience, i am worried about Pathoma. I am reading goljan but i feel its an overkill so i am watching pathoma videos and doing its notes. I see that you saod he is missing on crucial points, can u explain this? and what do you suggest i should do for Pathology? i can't read so many books rather i master one book.
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Well Pathoma is great, no doubt. Don't worry about the details. UW WILL fill these gaps. But, besure you get all his concepts, cause he teaches some high yield stuff. In fact, now I recall, his Neuro wasn't that bad either. Some things about Lacunar Infarcts werent there I guess, and some syndromes. But, as I said, UW will fill these gaps.

Other than that, he is quite good in many areas. Again, pathology is mainly reinforced by UW. Even if you read a good book like Goljan, WHATS THE point? You will forget everything in like a week. Its human nature. But, you will remember for a long time after you got a question wrong about it. Thats how our brain learns best : By doing mistakes!!!

So, for pathology, do as many questions as you can. Don't worry if Pathoma misses out on some stuff. UW is there to rescue you. If you get time, listen to Goljan audio after you've done a review of FA, or read his 36 page high yield note. The thing is if you read his notes now, it won't make sense, cause its all written in points. It will only make sense to you if you have encountered them before, and he will go one extra step and give you some important detail. Again, Goljan is not that important if you have a time issue. Rely on UW for all your needs! Its bountiful, trust me!!!!
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Great post ...i think you are set to break the 250 mark

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Great post, really motivates me and gives great insight, thanks a lot for sharing ur views,
Wish you your dream score .
Thank you so much! I have so much more to share, and so many myths to bust. I'll do that in a later time.

Stay strong. Its not that tough. Completely doable! That doesn't mean you shouldn't give it your best shot. Study for it like its Smaug, guarding all that nifty treasure; in the end, you will be able to get it down just by one arrow at the right place!
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wish you a glorious score!! you deserve it..! and thanks for your suggestion!!
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hey when you became able to recall all information without interruption to open firstaid again and again? and what about molecular biology is kaplan and uworld enough?
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best of luck for scores .. i have done exactly the same method u r doing by annovating first aid .. i have done my first pass.. i am going to do next pass subject wise with kaplan qbank and next 2 organ system passes wih u world ,. if u have any suggestions for me please do tell me . planning on taking exam in november
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best Of luck man' a few people take out thier time and explain tiny details of how study n exam startegy should be'
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hey when you became able to recall all information without interruption to open firstaid again and again? and what about molecular biology is kaplan and uworld enough?
Oh, UW is beautiful for Molecular. Its amazing. MORE than enough. It might be a bit weak in NF-kb path, which is because this pathology of it is still under development, and the advances in it are quite new. So, review some of the basics of NF-kb. You will get lost on Wiki or pubmed articles about it, so no need to know all the specific molecular details. Just know how and where it works, in particular the Ikb's role since that is the major regulatory block.

As for recall, seriously, I am still bad at recalling from FA. FA is written in a way that you will forget sooner or later. Its just hardcore memorization, to which you can't really hold. What I did to hold that information is to make my own stories, my own mnemonics, and then do questions. Questions is the way to pin the info in your head. Revising it again and again is USELESS, since there is so much info to memorize, and your memory has a limit.
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Sounds a good plan
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How much time is a good time to finish one read of all subjects by Kaplan notes and goljan path RR if I study 6 hrs per day
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How many hours per day did you study. Please give a plan if that as well
I see a hope in your plan cuz I also have 6-7 months . But I want how many hours at an avg is required.
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How much time is a good time to finish one read of all subjects by Kaplan notes and goljan path RR if I study 6 hrs per day
Well, there is no definitive answer for that. It all depends on the subject, and its familiarity/easiness with you. Some subjects you may get the first time and won't take time. Some will take a lot more (e.g Biochem or Behavioral). It took me around 3.5-4 months I would say. As for hours, it depends on person to person, how much you can absorb in an hour. And my study hours varied anywhere from a minimum of 8 hours a day to 12- hours a day. I used to take 1 day off, just to relax..

And Goljan Path, is huge! Its 600 pages, and the real point is how much of it can you recall. There are many high yield and low yield stuff intermingled. Its good in that its a truly complete package; bad because everything comes down to how well you can recall. Goljan audio is also good, but as I mentioned, its better to listen to it after you have done all the subjects, so that you can link all of them together. I personally didn't use any Goljan material, except his 36 pages rapid review, which I had a look briefly only once.
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hey, what about graph questions? I am really weak on them, havent started UW yet,
please tell me how were your graph questions in exam? does UW help in getting a good grip at them??
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hey, what about graph questions? I am really weak on them, havent started UW yet,
please tell me how were your graph questions in exam? does UW help in getting a good grip at them??
Yes, there are many kind of graph questions, but frankly most of them are very straightforward and easy to understand. I found there difficulty to be that of A'levels Biology. They are NOT UW tough, so don't worry.

They want to see your basic deduction skills.
-Like, can you read the graph?
-Do you know how to compare them?
-Do you know how to compare the rates/slopes?
-Can you extract data from them and come to conclusions?
-Can you spot the trends (correlations)?
-Can you compare confidence intervals, and see if one drug/treatment is better then the others at a specific CI?
-Can you compare the drug effects with an antagonist/partial or alone, or with a blocker?
-Can you interpret growth curves?
-Can you interpret Micheles graphs?
-Can you interpret Acid-base graphs? (although they ask this very rarely)
-Can you interpret drug elimination rates? Or steady state curves
-Can you calculate drug half life, or compare them?
-Can you interpret a normal Gaussian curve (very important. Know all the intervals/percentiles. It saves you a lot of time)
-Can you interpret clearance graphs, and TF/P curves of proximal tubule?
-Finally, some graphs are just bar-graphs or pie-charts with simple categorical data, and they ask you to interpret some data from it.

All simple and logical stuff. If you have done Kaplan Biochem/Physio/Behavioral & Pharm, you've covered all of them that you are likely to encounter.

The hard ones that you will encounter will be the cardiac function curves, and respiratory curves(like work of breathing/flow rates etc). They need a bit of thinking. But as I mentioned, Kaplan physio does an amazing job in teaching them, and UW is just superb in nailing them down!

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Kaplan patho notes are NOT that good. They have a lot of low-yield info mixed with high-yield. You don't really know whats important. Besides, the video lectures from 2010 are BORING as hell, and most of the time the professors just talk. Pathology is more about drawing, diagrams, and connecting the dots, and Pathoma does a fabulous job in doing all of that. The book is good for some chapters, but again, you won't be able to recall much since you don't know what stuff is important to memorize.

Goljan audio is amazing, but if you start listening from scratch, it won't make much sense. Listen to it AFTER you have some basic understanding of pathology, and AFTER you have done at least all the other subjects. This is because Goljan links all various subjects, therefore a basic understanding of some of the concepts is important to understand his full ideas. The bad part about Goljan audio is that they do miss some topics now and then, since its quite old. But its a great way to come at least to the competence level(i.e till 220). After 220, your marks depend on UW and other things.

Pathoma is good. It lacks on few details here and there, but UW will fill those gaps. He teaches in a nice and comprehensive way, and gives you many high-yield facts. His simple diagrams/explanations are much easier to remember.

Barone, is amazing as well. But his live lectures are his prime power. His video lectures from 2003 are also good, but they are old, and many things have changed now. So if you get a chance to attend his live lectures, do so!!!
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hi...wen did u start doing uworld?..u said u took 6.5 months...did u start with questions just after u were done with da kaplan lectures?
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hi...wen did u start doing uworld?..u said u took 6.5 months...did u start with questions just after u were done with da kaplan lectures?
Well, after the kaplan lectures, and the first review of FA, i started UW. Its better to do a first read of FA, and then do questions. This way, you revise everything you read in Kaplan and will also be able to organize all that information swirling in your head!
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I am really weak at anatomy and neuroanatomy - the tracts and all. How do you suggest getting better at that ? I think, my issue is the memorization....I just can't seem to memorize all that and I have reviewed that many times...
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I want to ask that some people do Kaplan q bank side by side subject wise and then towards end they do u world
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Hello, Firstly thank you, your post is really helpful.
I am really weak at anatomy and neuroanatomy - the tracts and all. How do you suggest getting better at that ? I think, my issue is the memorization....I just can't seem to memorize all that and I have reviewed that many times...
Anatomy and neuroanatomy is very well explained by Kaplan book and lectures. They give you only HY info, all that is necessary. I found the Kaplan neuroanatomy to be quite sufficient for most of the topics. It did lack in vascular diseases, but you will be able to understand only from UW. Specifically, the Lacunar infarcts, Cerebral Amyloid Angiopathy, Charcot bouchard aneurysms etc. It does touch on these subjects, but doesn't link them up.

Neuroanat is not about memorization at all. Its like a road map. You have to know the highway's and from where the cars are coming in, and going out. And all the relay centers in the middle. You only have to know a few rules, and they all apply beautifully in every aspect of neuroanatomy (for instance, all info is relayed to the brain by 3 order neurons, whether that be peripheral touch, or face touch). So you really have to know this. My advice to you, and the method that I did to understand, is to draw the tracts/paths. Eg, know how info travels from the pain nerve endings to the sensory cortex. Make all the important relays in the path (nerve endings->Neuron 1->Synapse in ipsilateral gray matter->Neuron 2 crosses anterior white commisure and travel contralaterally as anterior spinothalmic tract->Synapse in VPL of Thalamus->Neuron 3 projects to sensory cortex via Ant limb of Internal capsule) This is just one example of a road map. If you are thinking I did this all from memory, well NOT AT ALL. It was all just rules i followed, and I know exactly where info is going. Its very logical actually. Read it again from Kaplan, and draw all these tracts, and do questions on it. Hopefully, it will work out for you.

As for memorization. Remember, you have to make your own mnemonics, and make stories so as to remember stuff. You can make silly stories, funny things to remember them. I will write in detail on the process of memorization, but hopefully at a later time.

Also, please note, you will learn slowly if you just keep re-reading the material. I see people revising all the time FA or other stuff, but I dont think its a good idea. As a personal experience, I think our brain learns much better by doing mistakes. Since when you are re-reading the material, you don't know in which aspects you are wrong. You can only know if you truly know the concept if you do questions. Therefore, do lots of questions on Neuro/Anat and I think you will be fine. Trust me, even I had problems with memorization, but the question method doesn't require you to mug up. Its like your brain automatically absorbs some info when it did a mistake before.

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I want to ask that some people do Kaplan q bank side by side subject wise and then towards end they do u world
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Is it worth it or we should just stick to u world through out !!
I personally had the same dilemma, that should I do Kaplan Qbank or not. I didnt do it in the end. I found them to be low-yield, and frankly i didnt have the money to go and buy their Qbank. I found that UW was quite sufficient for most of the exam. And I think its best to do it TIMED/UNUSED/MIXED. Mixed is the best way to go about. You have to touch all the areas of the syllabus at the same time, so that you are at ease. Otherwise, doing a few questions of Genetics, then path, then biochem, your brain will be slow in shifting from one domain to the other. However, if you've been doing MIXED, you won't have any problem.

If you get time, go ahead and do Kaplan Qbank. More questions wont hurt you. They will only solidify the concepts. But if you have time/money issue, stick to UW only.

I was able to hit on the NBME to 250's, ONLY by doing UW. So you can see how well it covers the material. If you want to go more higher, then yeah go ahead and do more questions. Or if you are weak and are not getting the concepts from UW (which is quite rare since UW teaches in a marvelous way), then you can do Kaplan Qbank.

Just something I heard from a friend. Even Kaplan's own faculty members say their QBanks are not that HY. I don't know how much of that is true
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thanks for a detailed answer.... more questions wont hurt at all but frankly that was the main purpose of asking ...cuz kaplan q bank is expensive..... thats y i wanit to know whether its worth it or not....


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hi...have another question...i did kaplan patho...i did no know about dis pathoma...my exam is in august...im halfway thru my uworld...i did fa ofcourse...i have goljan rapid review but too vast to be covered...so i could not....is wat i have done for patho enough?or do i have go thru new matierials now?
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Please also guide us about the nearnt equation and other calculations... not of biostats, but others like the ones in pharm and biochem...


I really appreciate the way you are guiding all of us. Thanx alot for that.
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hi...have another question...i did kaplan patho...i did no know about dis pathoma...my exam is in august...im halfway thru my uworld...i did fa ofcourse...i have goljan rapid review but too vast to be covered...so i could not....is wat i have done for patho enough?or do i have go thru new matierials now?
You should be fine. My posts above was for those who are just starting to study for Path. If you are already done with Kaplan Path, then its okay. You don't need to delve into new material. Stick to the things you know. The gaps in your information, try to fill them in with UW. Do an NBME and see which part you are weak in. Only for those specific chapters, you can review some Pathoma or Goljan.

Keep in mind. Too many sources are a really bad thing. Stick to only one. Make one book/one source and make it your bible for path. Also, note that in the final weeks before exam, DONT go for any new material. Just do the things you are weak in, and revise your own notes that you took, and do questions.

If you get time, you can review Goljan audio, but only if you have time. Otherwise, questions/UW/FA and NBME's are much more important in the last weeks.
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Please also guide us about the nearnt equation and other calculations... not of biostats, but others like the ones in pharm and biochem...


I really appreciate the way you are guiding all of us. Thanx alot for that.
You are more than welcome Abeer. I really appreciate all the comments, and I hope my experience can help you out with the exams. I know its tough preparing for the exams, and we all need some support to get through these tough times.

As for your question, I didn't have any physiology/biochem/pharm equation in the exam. The one that are in FA are MORE than enough. Its the concept that you should be concentrating on, not the math. They don't give you those kind of math/equation problems since they know you don't have enough times to go into fractions/calculation crap. They may ask stuff like:

If you increase viscosity, what happens to flow? (So you should know the correlations using Poiseulle Laws, i.e Flow is inversely proportional to viscosity, therefore flow decreases). Kaplan Physio is amazing in that aspect, and the equations in FA covers everything you need. Frankly, I didn't have ANY equation related question, but these general concepts are important to know.
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I was wondering what i am doing wrong? I have done 1 read of FA, Uworld 80% with cummultive average of 64 percentile. I did UWSA 2 days ago ang got 430=201. So so depressed. i have done kaplan videos, DIT 2012, Goljan notes. Pls any advice? My exams is in 6wks or do i have to postpone.
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Hi,
Along with big thanks to your write-up, i have a few questions,
My exam is in september 3rd week and just finished first read,
I used kap videos, pathoma along with FA.
I havent given FA a back to back read even once, i jus used now and then while using kap videos and pathoma.

Ryt now i am doing rx offline systemwise for the past 4 days, and i could hardly do 2 blocks per day, i will try to improve no. Of blocks and do as much as possible till june 30.

July 4 weeks and august 2 weeks, total of 6 weeks for uworld will be enough?
After 6 weeks i will have about a month to exam and will do nbmes and uwsa.

Should i use goljan coz i do not have much time!
Plus can u suggest how to spend a typical study day with no other responsibilities, coz all day studying for me is getting tiresome, and i feel like i feel burnt out, probably the reason i am not able to do even 2 full blocks.

Any advice is much appreciated, somebody boosting me up is all i want coz i am really tired of studying for the past 5 months on and off coz of many personal and family issues, and tats y sept is the dead end for me as its last month of my extended elig period.

I do have the confidence tat i can do well, but i have lost all the drive i had to study better and put in more hours.
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I was wondering what i am doing wrong? I have done 1 read of FA, Uworld 80% with cummultive average of 64 percentile. I did UWSA 2 days ago ang got 430=201. So so depressed. i have done kaplan videos, DIT 2012, Goljan notes. Pls any advice? My exams is in 6wks or do i have to postpone.
I think your problem is using too many sources, and not grinding one definitive source. What I advise you is to do UW with FA only! You don't need to do any other thing now, since your time is short.

So, for 2 weeks straight, only do the wrong questions/marked/guessed questions of UW again, and complement it with FA review of the topics you are weak in. Its very important that you do questions, since that's the only way to know where your concepts are wrong. If you just re-read the material, its useless since you will absorb the material in the same wrong way you did the first time. Do questions, and correct your concepts.

If you are still in your eligibility period, I say to postpone it for 2 weeks more. That way, you will have enough time to do UW+FA, and then take another NBME and see where you stand.

Only for very weak/very hard topics, you may re-watch/re-read some of the lectures/videos. For all your rest needs, rely on UW+FA. When I say UW+FA, what I mean is to do UW, and if you find yourself weak in specific areas, only review those topics from FA.

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Along with big thanks to your write-up, i have a few questions,
My exam is in september 3rd week and just finished first read,
I used kap videos, pathoma along with FA.
I havent given FA a back to back read even once, i jus used now and then while using kap videos and pathoma.

Ryt now i am doing rx offline systemwise for the past 4 days, and i could hardly do 2 blocks per day, i will try to improve no. Of blocks and do as much as possible till june 30.

July 4 weeks and august 2 weeks, total of 6 weeks for uworld will be enough?
After 6 weeks i will have about a month to exam and will do nbmes and uwsa.
Remember, UW takes a LOT of time. Its not only doing blocks. The review of one block takes anywhere from 4-5 hours! No, I am not kidding! You see, you have to understand/absorb/take notes for UW answers, and also have to annotate it with FA, and review those FA topics that you got the answers wrong for. Its really important to take down notes, since that helps in revising. It took me I think 1.5 months to do the entire UW. Its painful, but its worth it.

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Well NO!. If you are getting a good percent in UW (like average of 70-80%), then no need. If you get time later in your review, or are really bored, then you can listen to his audio or read the transcribed notes, or read his 36 page HY notes. Otherwise, it won't really help you if your concepts are already good.

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My regular day was filled with procrastination. I was supposed to write an article on how to study, but that will be at a later time after my results. Just a basic review, the last month, I shifted my routine to waking early in the morning at 8, and then sleeping by 12. Before that, it was chaos. I used to study nights and wake up at like 2-3 pm. It was a bad routine though, since after 2 am, your mind is practically numb

So, a normal day during the last days was waking up at 8, reading a lot of crap on internet, news, 9gag, and the real study used to start at 9 or so. Then I used to study till 12, go and take a snack, then come back, review a bit more. Take a break at 2 or 3, eat lunch, watch some series (Big Bang/HIMYM etc), then study till 4-5. Take a power nap of 20 mins. Continue studying after that till 7-8. Eat dinner, and then review just a bit more till 11. After that, again series, read some crap on net, just surf around. And sleep at 12. So you see, I never studied like 3-4 hours straight, cause its impossible for the mind to focus more than 3 hours. In fact, my Psych professor told me that an average mind can concentrate to a max of 40 mins!

You have to take breaks. And YOU WILL PROCRASTINATE. Its okay to do it, as long as you remain CONSISTENT. Consistency is the key to the exam, not the 4-6 hours lazying you do in a day. Thats understandable, and my advise is that you SHOULD procrastinate. It takes the heat off, and relaxes your mind. But don't overdo it ofcourse. Stick to your goals and schedule.

Talking about schedule, please bear in mind this fact I learned over and over. YOU WILL ALWAYS SCREW UP YOUR SCHEDULE AND WILL ALWAYS BE DELAYED. Some days will be good, some days will be bad. This is all process of studying for the steps. So always keep 1-2 weeks in your schedule as "lagging/delayed" period. For instance, if you calculated that you can do 2 blocks of UW, plus their review in a day, and you have like 10 blocks left. Instead of making 5 days for these blocks in your schedule, make 7-8. Keep extra days so that even your delays are scheduled!

Oh also, 1 day in the week I took off. I did exercise, and its VERY important. It gives you so much energy, you just cant imagine. That day was solely for me, so I took care of my self, watched movies, played PS3 or so. The other days when I was going really slow or my mind was numb, I went out for a jogg, and then came back to study. It really helps!


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Any advice is much appreciated, somebody boosting me up is all i want coz i am really tired of studying for the past 5 months on and off coz of many personal and family issues, and tats y sept is the dead end for me as its last month of my extended elig period.

I do have the confidence tat i can do well, but i have lost all the drive i had to study better and put in more hours.
As I said, the key is to be consistent. Dont let bad days/procrastination pull you down. ITS NORMAL! I went through it, and everybody does. YOU WILL BURN OUT!. So its very important to exercise/relax/do some stuff that you like e.g play music or watch movies/series, play games. Dont think this is waste of time. In fact, all these other activities I mentioned ARE PART OF YOUR PREPARATION! All these activities are for your mind to relax. So, do plenty of these.

So, be on your goals. Stay focused. It will be over before you know it. Time flies, trust me! For eg, when I first started Kaplan, I used to get so discouraged when I looked at the amount of books/lectures/questions I have to do. But that time passed SO FAST, I don't even recall it now.

Again, consistency flavored with perseverance, and dipped in 'procrastination-bowl-of-activities', is the key to get through these times!
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Naah man, the results are delayed till 10th of July. WTF!!!!
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thank you for your experience. I admired it and it kept me going through my last few days.
I wrote mine yesterday. Does that also meqn that we all going to receive our results together 10th of july?
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thank you for your experience. I admired it and it kept me going through my last few days.
I wrote mine yesterday. Does that also meqn that we all going to receive our results together 10th of july?
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Most score reporting of Step 1 results occurs within four weeks of testing. However, because of necessary modifications to the test item pool, there will be a delay in reporting for some examinees testing beginning the week of May 13th. The target date for reporting Step 1 scores for most examinees testing the week of May 13th through late June will be Wednesday, July 10, 2013. For examinees whose circumstances require that they receive Step 1 scores before July 10, it is recommended that they take Step 1 no later than May 10, 2013.
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uhhhh.....what does that mean "changes in the test item pool" should I be worried? Im gonna be taking the test in a month or so...its not gonna be totally dif is it?
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uhhhh.....what does that mean "changes in the test item pool" should I be worried? Im gonna be taking the test in a month or so...its not gonna be totally dif is it?
that is routine. should not worry it happens every year.
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Smashing, how are the questions in terms of difficulty on the step compared to uworld? I finished uw with a 65%. I'm doing a second run through but will only be able to finish half of it.
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I got my results...250!!!!!

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wow !! mashallah, I knew it smashingdude, your post clearly showed that you are among 250's
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very very very happy for you! Congratsss!!!! and thanks again for the thread, i can't wait to make one like this in the future..this forum is awesome!

you have motivated the heck out of me today!!!!!! thanks again, enjoy your day!! 250 is simply fantastic!
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Congratulations !!!!! ....so happy for you .... you deserved the score and now we are waiting for your new complete edition of your step 1 experience
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Congrats on the killer score, and respect for the amount of time you're giving back to helping people while the experience is fresh in your mind.

I'll admit I skimmed, but if I had to guess, I'd say the most effective tools you posted were the FA+ UW combination, with learning UW answers carefully and taking notes to review again. That formula has led to success for a lot of people. The annotating notes into FA is always a good idea (as FA can be bare bones in some areas), but as you note, sometimes if you put too much in there, you lose the high-yield facts.

And yes, Goljan is supremely helpful. I used the Goljan audio for heme only and used it to turn heme from a weakness into a strength (Goljan is a hematopathologist, so I've heard those are his best lectures).

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So NBME 13 & 15 were spot on.....congrats........you smashed it dude
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I got my results...250!!!!!

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smashing dude smashed it! congrats BOY!
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congrats on d awesum score..........i wanted to ask how important is general pathology chapters?
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Well, well well..Finally, its behind me (and I hope it stays there and don't have to revisit it )

Let me share a few thoughts.

Time to prepare: 6 and a half month
Graduation Year : 2012
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-Kaplan videos + books from 2010
-Pathoma
-Goljan Notes (the 36 page one, didnt read them all, just a quick review)
-Netter now and then just to look at some muscles/neuro.
-First Aid 2012
-UWorld
And thats about it..Nothing more, nothing less!!!!

My Stats
UW Stratified Analysis (i.e only taking into account the Timed+Unused ones, and getting an average): 77%
UW standard cumulative(i.e the one that appears in UW normally) : 85%
UWSA1, 1.5 months before, at 50% UW : 257
NBME 15, 15 days before exam : 252
UWSA2, 6 days before exam : 265
NBME 13, 2 days before exam : 250
Real exam: Hopefully, a pass; Will let you know after 3 weeks. Wish me luck :sorry:

Some notes about the materials:
-Kaplan books are MORE than enough in most subjects. But please, SKIP Pathology...it sucks! Unless you are taking a live course of Barone, who btw is AMAZING, the online lectures(both of 2007 and 2010) are not worth it..nor the book. I recommend Pathoma. I tried both, but Kaplan Path is just too boring, and sometimes too low yield.

-PLEASE SKIP KAPLAN MICROBIOLOGY. First aid is MORE THAN enough for Micro. I had this feeling that I will miss something important. Well, the thing about micro is that its only memorization, and that is done best through mnemonics which are plenty in First Aid. I am not saying the lectures aren't good. They are great, and she teaches them in an amazing way. Its just too much information, and you wont remember ANY of it when you start FA. So if you really want to do Micro, do it from First aid. You do however need to watch Immunology, and Microbial Genetics, also HIV/Hepatatis stuff. All the rest is just waste of time!

-Pathoma is great for Path. He touches on most aspect, but leaves out some crucial ones. He is weak in some cases of Neuro.

-FA. I kinda love this book, and hate this book. Why? The first review of it will easily take 20-30 days! No, I AM NOT KIDDING. And the second review, well about 8-10 days. AND IT WILL BE SO BORING! And you will get pissed off, every time you are reviewing and you see some **** that you don't remember reading the first time. And the third review, GOD you will HATE it, it becomes so painful to read it and then you get pissed off even more when you look at some random things in Cardio that you don't recall! I am not saying its a bad book. Its great, but reviewing it takes patience.

-Finally, Goljan. Every time I thought about doing Goljan, I said to myself the audio lectures and notes are quite old (they are from 2001). So, I didn't listen to his lectures. Nor his book. I did go through some of the HY pages (the 36 ones). But, here is the funny thing about Goljan. After I did my NBME and Uworld, and read his 36 pages HY notes, I found many thing mentioned in his notes. Its surprising, that Goljan notes are STILL USEFUL. So, should you listen to them? If you get time, ABSOLUTELY! Are his notes really important? Well you can pass the exam without his notes, but once you do all the material and listen to his audio/read his notes, you will see he links all of those stuff so amazingly....its like he is one of the test-writers. He knows exactly whats important, and whats not. Of course, he goes overkill, and gives you TOO MUCH detail in some instances. So, it all comes down to recall. Thats why I prefer if you get time to listen to the audio after you've done most of the material. His review book of 600 pages is great, but the real question is how much can you recall? So judge accordingly.

My Technique
Basically, I finished all the lectures/books. Took some notes in my books. Then I started FA and it took about a month. I went back to the books, and copied some of the notes into FA. Which was kinda of a bad idea, since in the end my FA was filled with useless notes from Kaplan, and some notes from UW, and in the end I cudn't know which was high yield or not. Anyway, it turned out to be useful in the long run, since if I didn't understand a concept, I could easily go to FA and review it without the need to open Kaplan ever again. So, in short I condensed everything from all kaplan lectures into my FA. Its my bible of medicine now. It has all these weird and kool facts. Seems nice, but wait till you start doing UW. Then you won't have space to fit in all those notes.

A common problem is when you start UW, should you make a separate notebook or jot all the info in FA? There are pros and cons to it. I decided to make a separate book. Its good since these are truly the high yield stuff I HAVE TO KNOW. The information won't get buried down somewhere in FA, and I can review it at ease compared to the killing review of FA. Bad, because once you are reviewing FA, you will want to link some of the info to UW, and then you will begin the tiresome process of finding that one obscured fact you once encountered in UW, lying somewhere in the heap of notes you took(oh, UW notes! I finished a book and a half of 200 pages each, all just UW notes). So decide whats best for you.

After my FA, I did UW. At 50% I took an assessment, review FA again, and then continued till 92%. Then I did a third review of FA, and went back and finished UW. Took an NBME, and then the last days I was so bored to go over FA again and decided not to revise it at all. Instead I did something that I don't regret. I did ALL the NBME in the last days. They are really useful, and help you pin down all that information in your head. If you get time, be sure to do them. And dont be afraid of them.

I'll talk more about the technique later. There is so much more to write, and I have so many things to share. Let me tell about the exam a bit.

About the exam:

I keep hearing people saying on the forums "Its about concept", and I never understood that terminology. Well, for one, the exam is NOT TOUGH as you might think it to be. It APPEARS tough because of the immense consequences that we envision if something goes wrong. It APPEARS tough because we envision it to be a dragon that is going to chew on our flesh for 8 straight hours. Well folks, to tell you the truth, this dragon was completely 'slayable'. With the right technique and practice of questions, you get the ability to pick out the right questions from wrong ones. As for concepts, most of the stuff is covered in UW. FA does cover them, and if you have done good review of Path, you are all set for it.

But, if you are thinking the exam is testing your knowledge, I am sorry to say, YOU ARE WRONG. The exam is about 2 things actually - Endurance and Decision making.

So many times you will come across a question that you know the answer, but when you look at the choices, you are led astray by the distractors. My advise on how to tackle them is to read the question, and guess the answer, and look down. If you find your choice, IT MOST PROBABLY is the right answer. Of course, do check it again and have a quick mental check. Many times, you will see and realize (and laugh out sometimes ), that had you clicked the option that came into your mind, you would have fallen into the pit wrought by the examiner!

As for endurance, you really have to build a stamina for it. The last days, I was so used to doing 4 blocks every day, that the exam felt like any other day. Thats why I highly recommend that in the last days, every day just do questions. I didn't revise FA; my last revision was in the beginning of May. After that, I only did UW wrong/marked questions and NBME's. It really helped build my stamina and lock in the facts of FA.

Knowledge. NO, the USMLE is not trying to trick you as UW does. Is it testing really new stuff? Not exactly. ITS THE SAME OLD CONCEPTS, tested in a NEW manner. Nothing has changed. Even the exam question stems were not that long as I was thinking them to be. The exam was much easier compared to UW. UW, is just a nightmare, but a good one. It helps you know so many concepts, and its just fantastic! Most of the questions in exam were straight forward, classic cases, with many using the common buzzwords. Even the biostat questions were not that difficult as you might think it to be. Some simple calculations, pretty straightforward. It did have some psych cases that were kinda weird. I would say the difficulty was that of the NBME, with 4-5 questions in every block with a UW like thing to it. The thing about the exam is that in every block, you will have 6-7 WTF questions. But, you see thats the trick. The exam tries everything to ruin your confidence. It will give you questions out of no where, and rest assured, YOU WILL GET QUESTIONS THAT YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE TO. But, trust me, in the whole exam, even questions like this, if you read through you can come to a sensible and hopefully the right answer. The key is not to panic, and give it your best shot. The exam is designed to test your patience, and how your decision in later questions get affected by these strange question.

And NO, they don't give you those many media questions. Some pictures were just plain easy, and some pictures were quite strange, but heck, I wasn't gonna waste my time on one strange picture. Surprisingly, I didnt have any sequential questions. I dont know why, but not a single one.

In the end, one thing I'll like to remind everyone. Its OKAY to be wrong. Its OKAY to NOT know everything. You can do the exam even if you don't know all those night icky-picky details. The exam is not so picky-the questions test the general stuff more than the exact details. In fact, while my time studying for it, I made the mistake of following into details so many times that I forgot the general simple concepts. Thats the thing I realized while I did NBME. I was good in handling difficult questions. But I always lost marks in the simple ones. So, my advise is to know the general stuff really well, then dig into the details to help your concepts.

Aright that was long. I have soooooooooooo much to share, but I guess after I get my results, I'll be better able to advise, and reflect on my mistakes. I'll tell about my exam day, and how it went. And more...!

Wish me luck guys!!!:sorry:
Congrats on you score and thanks for awesome sharing of your expierience can I ask one question and that is where can i fing 36pg HY notes of Goljan.ur response appreciated in advance
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To every one, who can help me with this strange Q..... What is the best time to start Patho, I finished physio from Kaplan and opened Patho Kaplan which is boring as...... So what you people recommend what is good time to start Patho, as it is one of the big boy....


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To every one, who can help me with this strange Q..... What is the best time to start Patho, I finished physio from Kaplan and opened Patho Kaplan which is boring as...... So what you people recommend what is good time to start Patho, as it is one of the big boy....


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Do it after anat, phys, bioch, micro. I personally prefer that before pharm.
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To every one, who can help me with this strange Q..... What is the best time to start Patho, I finished physio from Kaplan and opened Patho Kaplan which is boring as...... So what you people recommend what is good time to start Patho, as it is one of the big boy....


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This has been my strategy recently:

FIRST COMPLETE: Biochem, Pharm, Physiology, and Micro/Immuno
(Kaplan and FA) Micro - CMMRS and FA

After that, I think you should have a VERY solid foundation and understanding, to move onto PATHOLOGY! (Goljan or Pathoma)

Once you are finishing up with Pathology, I would leave Anatomy and Behavioral to the end. (both anatomy)



I just feel that you can get the most milage by doing those 4 before path. And then doing anatomy after, because it's sort of very unique, with it's own clinical correlations. And Behavioral is in it's own league completely.
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Hey Smashingdude, can you guide me about those offline NBME's that most students have, i printed them, but a friend is saying that its useless to do them, coz first of all the answer is not correct and then it doesnt give you any assesmesnt, but I was thinking what i do it for practice .. do u think it will be of any help? now this answers thing has scared me, what if answers are wrong...
Can anyone guide me on this please ???
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congrats smashing dude.................nice work............do you now what percentile u have landed in.???
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Thanks everyone for all the warm wishes. I wish you all the best, and my prayers are with you. I will post a new thread for strategy, but I've got couple of things to work on. Probably tonight or so.
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Hey Smashingdude, can you guide me about those offline NBME's that most students have, i printed them, but a friend is saying that its useless to do them, coz first of all the answer is not correct and then it doesnt give you any assesmesnt, but I was thinking what i do it for practice .. do u think it will be of any help? now this answers thing has scared me, what if answers are wrong...
Can anyone guide me on this please ???
In retrospective abeer, I think doing all the NBME is not a good idea after all. My score didn't improve after I did all of them. In fact, they stayed at the same level. So, its better to do 2 or 3, just to check your level.

Otherwise, to improve scores, the key that I've realized is more questions. Yes NBME does count as questions, but I think its better if you did few questions of some other question bank.

Whatever the case, UW is enough to reach 250. After that I guess, it comes down to subtle knowledge, and if you have done more question banks.

As for offline NBME, yes their answers are debatable. I used to spend a whole day just figuring out what the correct answers were. Its a tiresome process, skimming forums/websites, and looking at users responses, and trying to find the best answer that is medically correct, and confirming it with Wiki. I did write down correct answers of the NBME's after my tiresome research, and I'll try to type them when I get time.
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congrats smashing dude.................nice work............do you now what percentile u have landed in.???
Well, I don't know if USMLE is a normal distribution. If it is, the mean is 227 with a std deviation of 22. So I have just crossed the first deviation into the second. Which is, I believe, kinda good...isnt it?

They aren't giving 2 digit score, so I dont know how much percent it is.
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To every one, who can help me with this strange Q..... What is the best time to start Patho, I finished physio from Kaplan and opened Patho Kaplan which is boring as...... So what you people recommend what is good time to start Patho, as it is one of the big boy....


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Yes, as the other people suggested, do Patho AT THE END. After all the subjects. For patho, you should have an understanding of all the basic sciences, so that you can integrate all of its field. I did it at the end of all subjects.
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Dear can u guide me how to find Goljan 36 pg HY notes.
Yes, sure... PM me your email.
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Smashingdude, yes please do post the answers.
I am getting very low scores on UW, I was getting 60-67% but yesterday i got 39% on my 12th block !! shocked
i cant recall the simple stuff when im duin UW, and that's what freaks me out, my UW graph dances up and down, and os is my prep, do u think its normal? i am reading FA but have to start reading it religiously after 10th Aug, ...
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............ I will post a new thread for strategy.......................
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My email is ahmadya@un.org,

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