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I'm a Carribean med student starting 2nd year so I haven't even started to prepare for step 1 yet, but I have another question that I'm hoping someone can answer.
My school's web site shows graphs of students who have been accepted to various residency programs based on their step 1 scores and gpa. I'm just wondering, since all US med schools are on a pass/fail basis (some are pass/fail, high pass & honors, but the majority are just pass/fail), how do the residency programs know what the student's gpa is? Do US med school transcipts show a numeric score next to the pass/fail in each course? In my school we're on a standard letter grade (C-, C, C+, B-, B, B+, A-, A with a numeric score next to each). I'd really like to know if residency programs see the actual gpa of FMS only.
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Residency is according to Step 1 scores, LORS. NOT GPAs

your school is fooling you in putting that. Residency doesn't care are that.
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Residency is according to Step 1 scores, LORS. NOT GPAs

your school is fooling you in putting that. Residency doesn't care are that.
I'm glad to hear this, but still, I'd like to know if US med school transcripts reflect a students GPA if their grading is based on pass/fail? And are clinical GPA's a critical factor?
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Residency DOES depend on GPA too. It's a factor out of other factors like USMLEs, letters...etc.

US medical schools use the graphs in MSPEs to compare between the student his/her peers. They do care on the student rank too.

Step 1 and other USMLEs are much important than GPA and grades. But don't ignore the latter.

What you should know that "GPA, honors and school grades are not important" is the biggest fool and mistake. Again, your application is evulauted on all factors. Not only USMLEs, or letters or any factor alone. That's why you see people match at good programs, while others match at low crappy places or even don't match

See my recent reply on CK mean score thread

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I'm a Carribean med student starting 2nd year so I haven't even started to prepare for step 1 yet, but I have another question that I'm hoping someone can answer.
My school's web site shows graphs of students who have been accepted to various residency programs based on their step 1 scores and gpa. I'm just wondering, since all US med schools are on a pass/fail basis (some are pass/fail, high pass & honors, but the majority are just pass/fail), how do the residency programs know what the student's gpa is? Do US med school transcipts show a numeric score next to the pass/fail in each course? In my school we're on a standard letter grade (C-, C, C+, B-, B, B+, A-, A with a numeric score next to each). I'd really like to know if residency programs see the actual gpa of FMS only.

MCAT reflects your USMLE, does that mean some one who scored 40/45 gets a 250+ on USMLE, most likely. but does that mean some one with a 35/45 wont score a 250+ no it does not.


Working with SGU ICM department I can clearly state that GPA has nothing to do with Residency rank. it will play part though when trying to differentiate to excellent candidates for ROL.

My suggestion read my experience for Step 1 http://www.usmle-forums.com/usmle-st...nce-255-a.html


follow my steps, do everything , read the books, study hard, you will get over 250.

but if you are a slacker in basic sciences and you get all C's and do not have a strong foundation for basic sciences you will never score super high.
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Everything counts, some criteria are more important than other. For example, Step 1 score, LORs, and personal statements are the top three. While other such as Step 2 score, clinical grades, and class rank are relatively less important. So if you have two candidates with very similar Step 1 score, LORs, clinical grades etc. Then residency directors will start to look and compare less important criteria. Look at the 2012 Program Director survey post-match (attached to this message, page 3 and 4) you can see that even inconsistency in grades can raise red flag. So in summary, they're all important, some are more than other.

Your question regarding US medical school GPA. Some US programs do pass/fail first year only to allow for their student to settle in. While some do pass/fail for the first two years. However, clinical years (3rd and 4th years) are graded. Relatively, clinical grades (4th criteria) are much much more important than basic science grades. But even inconsistency in basic science grades can harm you. So try not to give them any reason to not offer you a spot. Hope this help, check out the post-match survey below.

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I'm a Carribean med student starting 2nd year so I haven't even started to prepare for step 1 yet, but I have another question that I'm hoping someone can answer.
My school's web site shows graphs of students who have been accepted to various residency programs based on their step 1 scores and gpa. I'm just wondering, since all US med schools are on a pass/fail basis (some are pass/fail, high pass & honors, but the majority are just pass/fail), how do the residency programs know what the student's gpa is? Do US med school transcipts show a numeric score next to the pass/fail in each course? In my school we're on a standard letter grade (C-, C, C+, B-, B, B+, A-, A with a numeric score next to each). I'd really like to know if residency programs see the actual gpa of FMS only.
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Everything counts, some criteria are more important than other. For example, Step 1 score, LORs, and personal statements are the top three. While other such as Step 2 score, clinical grades, and class rank are relatively less important. So if you have two candidates with very similar Step 1 score, LORs, clinical grades etc. Then residency directors will start to look and compare less important criteria. Look at the 2012 Program Director survey post-match (attached to this message, page 3 and 4) you can see that even inconsistency in grades can raise red flag. So in summary, they're all important, some are more than other.

Your question regarding US medical school GPA. Some US programs do pass/fail first year only to allow for their student to settle in. While some do pass/fail for the first two years. However, clinical years (3rd and 4th years) are graded. Relatively, clinical grades (4th criteria) are much much more important than basic science grades. But even inconsistency in basic science grades can harm you. So try not to give them any reason to not offer you a spot. Hope this help, check out the post-match survey below.
Yours was a really helpful and comprehensive answer. Thanks so much!
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