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One of my friend told me that you may expect to see more clinically oriented questions at USMLE step 1. I wonder if it's beneficial if we prepare for both step 1 and 2CK at the same time. Some people believe that it will shorten the overall time needed to cover the materials. Any of you have experience with this studyplan ??? Thx...
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I do not have that experience but that is what I am planning to do, not only because there is much clinical Q in step 1 but as I am planning to get step 2 first (which has so many Q related to path & pharm) so when I take step 1 it won't consume so much time & the clinical Q won't be tough.
that's my plan ,so I am too want to know if anyone followed this strategy ??
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I do not have that experience but that is what I am planning to do, not only because there is much clinical Q in step 1 but as I am planning to get step 2 first (which has so many Q related to path & pharm) so when I take step 1 it won't consume so much time & the clinical Q won't be tough.
that's my plan ,so I am too want to know if anyone followed this strategy ??
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I was wondering how you structure ur studyplan ? I mean which material us review first, CK or step 1 ? Just can't figure out how to work on this studyplan...
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I don't think it's a good idea to study for both.

Despite the considerable overlap they are still considered separate tests with different resources and books for each one.

These exams are so vast and encompassing that you need to completely focus on one of them to ace it. You cannot read both of them at the same time. You will lose your concentration and I guarantee that you won't get high scores.

So stay away from this ...
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Generally speaking I haven't heard of many students go that route. Instead, what I have heard is that its best to do step 1 first and then use that information as background for step 2 studying. You still have to study for each step separately though.
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Generally speaking I haven't heard of many students go that route. Instead, what I have heard is that its best to do step 1 first and then use that information as background for step 2 studying. You still have to study for each step separately though.
Hei thanks for advising me, I just want to ask ur personal opinion. If we enrolled in Kaplan prep course, do we need to supplement it with other resources such as RR Goljan/BRS Path, and UW Q bank ???
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Hei thanks for advising me, I just want to ask ur personal opinion. If we enrolled in Kaplan prep course, do we need to supplement it with other resources such as RR Goljan/BRS Path, and UW Q bank ???
Yeah, sorry dude - you do... Even though Kaplan is excellent at covering it all, I'd recommend you use FA and UW to finish off. That should be enough though if you find Kaplan concepts clear.

You shouldn't use more than 1 source per subject, Kaplan is generally regarded as the best source for all of these subjects with the exception of Path. Path is a very controversial one because I think Dr. Barone at Kaplan really does cover everything necessary waay above and beyond whats in the books that the online lectures / Kaplan book does not do justice to. That being said, Dr. Goljan's rapid review book is useful for Step 2 pathology concepts as well so if you do it now it'll help going forward as well.

So I guess what I'm saying is the following:

1) - Do Kaplan so you remember the major concepts (not word for word), 2) do Goljan RR - again major concepts and pictures (you don't need BRS as well)
3) Memorize FA Neuro word for word - if you have some time you can do some HY Neuro or just memorize FA Neuro very thoroughly
and to complete:
4) use the explanations from UW to supplement FA (write the notes in to FA) and that will complete your study.

These four things should be enough - Then you do an NBME and see where you stand

You can add more things - and that list is quite long - Medessentials / Doctors in Training / Pass program / Falcon / HY series / Consult Qbank / prayer - whatever works for you - but the above is in my opinion is required at the 95% confidence interval.

Hope thats helpful...
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Yeah, sorry dude - you do... Even though Kaplan is excellent at covering it all, I'd recommend you use FA and UW to finish off. That should be enough though if you find Kaplan concepts clear.

You shouldn't use more than 1 source per subject, Kaplan is generally regarded as the best source for all of these subjects with the exception of Path. Path is a very controversial one because I think Dr. Barone at Kaplan really does cover everything necessary waay above and beyond whats in the books that the online lectures / Kaplan book does not do justice to. That being said, Dr. Goljan's rapid review book is useful for Step 2 pathology concepts as well so if you do it now it'll help going forward as well.

So I guess what I'm saying is the following:

1) - Do Kaplan so you remember the major concepts (not word for word), 2) do Goljan RR - again major concepts and pictures (you don't need BRS as well)
3) Memorize FA Neuro word for word - if you have some time you can do some HY Neuro or just memorize FA Neuro very thoroughly
and to complete:
4) use the explanations from UW to supplement FA (write the notes in to FA) and that will complete your study.

These four things should be enough - Then you do an NBME and see where you stand

You can add more things - and that list is quite long - Medessentials / Doctors in Training / Pass program / Falcon / HY series / Consult Qbank / prayer - whatever works for you - but the above is in my opinion is required at the 95% confidence interval.

Hope thats helpful...
Ok...so we still need to supplement it with other resources. My first step will be covering all materials from Kaplan : the lecture notes +Kaplan DVD + qbook. If I can't get those all materials, do you think it's essential to sign up with the course ??? What are the extra benefits of enrolling myself to the course ?
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It's not essential to do liveprep, but for me the environment was a big plus.

The material is covered in a way that constantly reminds you what is high yield and what is not. Some professors - Dr. Barone, Dr. Turco are examples - will do crazy things to make sure you remember their stuff. Also, of course, you have someone to ask questions to if you're confused about a topic.

I also learned a lot from my peers in the course - especially about what I didn't know both about step 1 studies as well as about application tricks and so on and so forth. A lot of that you can get from the internet, but I do better in a classroom type environment so it was really useful for me.

That being said though, the important thing to do is to cover the material. Their online material is very good if you have the latest stuff directly from them. I know some of those subscriptions to the courses can be expensive but their webprep can be had for quite a reasonable amount of money compared to dealing with shady characters online who might send you videos that say they are 2010 but actually are older. Also with webprep you can get in touch with their staff if you have any questions.

So that was what I got from the actual live course. I had a lot of trouble getting started and appropriately focusing myself and Kaplan helped me out with a lot of that. If you can focus yourself and complete the material in a reasonable amount of time take that discipline through to the end of your preparation and you'll do great
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One of my friend told me that you may expect to see more clinically oriented questions at USMLE step 1. I wonder if it's beneficial if we prepare for both step 1 and 2CK at the same time. Some people believe that it will shorten the overall time needed to cover the materials. Any of you have experience with this studyplan ??? Thx...
As far as I know there is clinical outline but basic science question. So it is good to have material that have clinical point of view. Learn the basics for step 1 and leave the clinical stuff for step 2CK. Remember that AMGs do their step 1 before clinical rotation.

I talked a older collegue who had done usmle in "golden" 90s. He said that he did step 1 and step 2 in the same time (he had to go to London to do the test... I can luckily do step 1 and 2CK in Finland). Maybe if you are genius and you have stone-hard memory so maybe you can do it, but otherwise I would suggest that don't do it for same time.
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Hi Sara_Ali
I was wondering how you structure ur studyplan ? I mean which material us review first, CK or step 1 ? Just can't figure out how to work on this studyplan...
I think that the best plan is the plan that comes along with ur situation, I am considering this plan because I did not start my step 1 preparation early (I am just starting and I am now in my 4y) so I choosed this plan bc I am not planning to take the exam soon (may be after 2 y) so I did not want to spend the whole time in one step only .
so,my plan is first study for the basic of step 1 as anatomy ,patho,physio.......ect and study for Ck as part of my collage studying (I just will start my clinical rotation so soon) the whole thing is just based on that I do not wann waste so much time in one thing ,
and of course before the real exam by one month or something I will focus on the exam material.
that's just my opinion , of course that is not the best thing to do but that's the best plan for me now.
hope you might take some benefit of it
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Yeah, sorry dude - you do... Even though Kaplan is excellent at covering it all, I'd recommend you use FA and UW to finish off. That should be enough though if you find Kaplan concepts clear.

You shouldn't use more than 1 source per subject, Kaplan is generally regarded as the best source for all of these subjects with the exception of Path. Path is a very controversial one because I think Dr. Barone at Kaplan really does cover everything necessary waay above and beyond whats in the books that the online lectures / Kaplan book does not do justice to. That being said, Dr. Goljan's rapid review book is useful for Step 2 pathology concepts as well so if you do it now it'll help going forward as well.

So I guess what I'm saying is the following:

1) - Do Kaplan so you remember the major concepts (not word for word), 2) do Goljan RR - again major concepts and pictures (you don't need BRS as well)
3) Memorize FA Neuro word for word - if you have some time you can do some HY Neuro or just memorize FA Neuro very thoroughly
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4) use the explanations from UW to supplement FA (write the notes in to FA) and that will complete your study.

These four things should be enough - Then you do an NBME and see where you stand

You can add more things - and that list is quite long - Medessentials / Doctors in Training / Pass program / Falcon / HY series / Consult Qbank / prayer - whatever works for you - but the above is in my opinion is required at the 95% confidence interval.

Hope thats helpful...
what if I have the Kaplan DVD with out the notes plus FA, is that ok or the kaplan notes is essential??
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You have the notes open to add comments to and summarize the lectures - it would be hard to do the lectures without the notes I'd think... You don't have to do the notes separately without the dvds though...

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what if I have the Kaplan DVD with out the notes plus FA, is that ok or the kaplan notes is essential??
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