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Hi Folks, I am very weak in Pathology. My basics is not strong. Does anyone know how I can get free pathoma videos. Pathology is killing me. I have Goljan RR but it is too voluminous. My foundation in pathology is very week. Any help please.
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pathoma.......
it helps you ...just mail me your email i can send you the link
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Hi Folks, I am very weak in Pathology. My basics is not strong. Does anyone know how I can get free pathoma videos. Pathology is killing me. I have Goljan RR but it is too voluminous. My foundation in pathology is very week. Any help please.
It's like saying I am hungry AND have the best ingredients to cook a great meal but I find it too hard to cook a meal for myself?
You get the idea.
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It's like saying I am hungry AND have the best ingredients to cook a great meal but I find it too hard to cook a meal for myself?
You get the idea.
But I've heard that pathoma book and videos are good even if u have a weak basics, what do u think ?
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But I've heard that pathoma book and videos are good even if u have a weak basics, what do u think ?
Pathoma is very good BUT it does not cover everything. Pathoma is still evolving as compared to Goljan RR which has evolved over years & covers everything they can throw at you.
Also, Goljan RR covers much much more than Pathology AND integrates all the subjects so well.
In fact, if you just want to master one book, do Goljan RR to get a great score.
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Hey just get pathoma book plus vedios and u are great to go.
Goljan is gold we all know that but there is no point in trying to be Juck of all trade but master of none. You get me. I thank God for pathoma. It has straightened my pathology.

If you are average student do pathoma but not Goljan.

After u have eaten enough u can now think about dessert.

So after pathoma if u still have some brain cells and time to spare then do Goljan.
This journey matters more with the person behind the books than the books themselves.
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Pathoma is very good BUT it does not cover everything. Pathoma is still evolving as compared to Goljan RR which has evolved over years & covers everything they can throw at you.
Also, Goljan RR covers much much more than Pathology AND integrates all the subjects so well.
In fact, if you just want to master one book, do Goljan RR to get a great score.
Just my 2 cents.
I agree, however, there is so much in that book that everything is hard to memorize. Would you say, FA and UW would suffice ?
Also, how much does goljan audio help ? it seems high yield ?!
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I agree, however, there is so much in that book that everything is hard to memorize. Would you say, FA and UW would suffice ?
Also, how much does goljan audio help ? it seems high yield ?!
Majority of this test is about Pathology & Pathophysiology and FA & UW are NOT sufficient. If you find it hard to do RR then at least you should do Pathoma +Goljan Audio +Goljan Notes.
As I said earlier, it is the integration of knowledge & concepts which are tested these days so simple knowing is not sufficient and that's where Goljan excels.
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I would recommend Goljan. It integrates other subjects really well even though there is so much extra info in the book. But the more you study the more you remember not the other way round. I know pathoma is easier to follow but if you want to get a good score go for Goljan.
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I agree, however, there is so much in that book that everything is hard to memorize. Would you say, FA and UW would suffice ?
Also, how much does goljan audio help ? it seems high yield ?!
i disagree.

if you are REALLY solid on the basic sciences, ESPECIALLY Physiology, Biochemistry, and Pharm (and i suppose Micro/Immuno too), then Goljan RR is a joy to read.

after that, you just need to focus on Behavioral and Anatomy (Gross and Neuro)

best way to read and study from goljan is by being SOLID in the basic sciences, then you'll have less to memorize, and it becomes more about understanding the mechanisms, and how diseases integrate with what you already know from the basic sciences.

don't get me wrong, there is memorizatoin too. but the key (in my opinion) is to integrate as much as possible, so that you can minimize on the memorization aspect.

For me, same goes with FA.
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Hi Folks, I am very weak in Pathology. My basics is not strong. Does anyone know how I can get free pathoma videos. Pathology is killing me. I have Goljan RR but it is too voluminous. My foundation in pathology is very week. Any help please.

Seriously!
Step 1 exam is Pathology!

Both pathoma and RR are great books, but you must study one of them for this text. Pics in RR are brilliant
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Seriously!
Step 1 exam is Pathology!

Both pathoma and RR are great books, but you must study one of them for this text. Pics in RR are brilliant
Conclusion.
Average students shd study pathoma but supplement it with Goljan audio, RR pics and Goljan 36, or 100pages at least.

Above average students shd do purely Goljan.
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Conclusion.
Average students shd study pathoma but supplement it with Goljan audio, RR pics and Goljan 36, or 100pages at least.

Above average students shd do purely Goljan.
But I think,generally speaking ,the below average students have a lower background than the Above average so they need to go for goljan as it's the biggest !

and I've saw in FA that pathoma and also goljan got A+. so , what's that mean?
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But I think,generally speaking ,the below average students have a lower background than the Above average so they need to go for goljan as it's the biggest !

and I've saw in FA that pathoma and also goljan got A+. so , what's that mean?
The point is that below average / average student struggle to assimilate the stuff in Goljan so they shd start with pathoma and if they still have room to add on then they do Goljan to link up the associations.
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Goljan RR remains undisputed champion owing to its sheer volume in fact its environmental pathology and nutrition chapter(which I thought were worthless gave me the answers of 3-4 questions in real deal.....Goljan keeps on adding all points that have been tested over the past decade or so and that is why it keeps on increasing in size with every new edition....saying this every student cannot grip 700+ pages of Goljan and if this book not properly done can actually backfire.

Pathoma(along with its videos) is a new player and although it doesn't contain all 260+ material it still contains ALL THE HIGH YIELD points which are must know for step 1 exam and because of its concise volume it can be read multiple times. If you doing Pathoma know it cold.

Goljan audio are old but are still relevant in making you understand that how we all should think about boards and how we are suppose to INTEGRATE our knowlege for step1.

My advice:

If your target score is 240-250s then do:

Pathoma+videos (first) and then Goljan audio(along with its transcripts and slides)

I highly recommend this approach as it will give you time to study other six subjects as well ...remember that in step1 if you are looking for 250+ score you cannot afford to have weak links because exam will make sure to expose that weak link and it will impact your score eventually.

Keep your prep simple and stay loyal to time tested Kaplan(except pathology)+pathoma+goljan audio+ F.A+U.W Q bank+NBMES(take two as assessment and rest as a practise bank).

If you are a gunner/in med school/looking for 260+:

then do pathoma videos and read corresponding Goljan RR.

Always choose a study plan/books that suits you temperament and that can do your job in reasonable amount of time
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Goljan RR remains undisputed champion owing to its sheer volume in fact its environmental pathology and nutrition chapter(which I thought were worthless gave me the answers of 3-4 questions in real deal.....Goljan keeps on adding all points that have been tested over the past decade or so and that is why it keeps on increasing in size with every new edition....saying this every student cannot grip 700+ pages of Goljan and if this book not properly done can actually backfire.

Pathoma(along with its videos) is a new player and although it doesn't contain all 260+ material it still contains ALL THE HIGH YIELD points which are must know for step 1 exam and because of its concise volume it can be read multiple times. If you doing Pathoma know it cold.

Goljan audio are old but are still relevant in making you understand that how we all should think about boards and how we are suppose to INTEGRATE our knowlege for step1.

My advice:

If your target score is 240-250s then do:

Pathoma+videos (first) and then Goljan audio(along with its transcripts and slides)

I highly recommend this approach as it will give you time to study other six subjects as well ...remember that in step1 if you are looking for 250+ score you cannot afford to have weak links because exam will make sure to expose that weak link and it will impact your score eventually.

Keep your prep simple and stay loyal to time tested Kaplan(except pathology)+pathoma+goljan audio+ F.A+U.W Q bank+NBMES(take two as assessment and rest as a practise bank).

If you are a gunner/in med school/looking for 260+:

then do pathoma videos and read corresponding Goljan RR.

Always choose a study plan/books that suits you temperament and that can do your job in reasonable amount of time
Thanks for the valuable insight ,
But if someone does pathoma videos and read corresponding Goljan RR then ,
how much time does he need to finish 'me, roughly ?
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But if someone does pathoma videos and read corresponding Goljan RR then ,
how much time does he need to finish 'me, roughly ?
If you haven't read Goljan before then above combo can take 20-40 days of prep depending on your speed and ability to consume the material....since Goljan integrates every subject make sure that you have read your other subjects before you take on above combo.

P.S if you do Goljan then get its 4th edition as it is getting good reviews in SDN in comparison to its 3rd edition.
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If you haven't read Goljan before then above combo can take 20-40 days of prep depending on your speed and ability to consume the material....since Goljan integrates every subject make sure that you have read your other subjects before you take on above combo.

P.S if you do Goljan then get its 4th edition as it is getting good reviews in SDN in comparison to its 3rd edition.
sorry, but what do mean by SDN?
a member asked this , if u answer it I appreciate that .
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so what about pathoma + nutrition , environmental, genetics from Goljan since pathoma doesnt cover these ?
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If you haven't read Goljan before then above combo can take 20-40 days of prep depending on your speed and ability to consume the material....since Goljan integrates every subject make sure that you have read your other subjects before you take on above combo.

P.S if you do Goljan then get its 4th edition as it is getting good reviews in SDN in comparison to its 3rd edition.
How better is the 4th edition than the 3rd.? Is it too significant?
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Student Doctor network...basically forum for AMGs who are preparing for steps.

I agree with seliac if you are going for option 1 as previously mentioned then reading (environental, nutrition gentics and Fluid and electrolyte chapters) are worth while.

Note : Pathoma may leave some obvious things like Kallman syndrome or some other basic stuff but F.A and eventually U.W will cover those holes.

@nsesereso
this is what op of SDN has to say in GOLJAN RR 4 THREAD:

I hated RR 3rd edition because it was a hard-to-read bullet-point format. Well, I got the 4th edition anyway and while they added 200 pages (at 800 pages now), it is now far more readable. Still bullet-point format but now he uses complete sentences and it flows. MASSIVE improvement

source http://forums.studentdoctor.net/show....php?t=1014893
Bottom line: if you have already read RR3 then stick to it(as step1 checks old time tested concepts in new manner NOT NEW INFORMATION/LAB tests that are mentioned in one book and not in others) but if you are about to start Goljan then get RR4.


Step 1 massively checks basic concepts and that huge chunk of questions if done right can land you easily 240+ ... that is why people who have done even Kaplan patholgy properly are able to score in 250s ... so what ever material you choose DON'T SCREW YOUR BASIC CONCEPTS at the expense of some new/obscure fact.
U.W objectives and reKap of both banks point to those basic concepts which in real deal might be asked in new way but concept has been there for decades.
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