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Hello fellow colleagues:

Would appreciate your input. This is my scenario:

1- Medical graduate from England (2002) w/ honors and also a biomedical degree.

2- Came to US to do cancer research at prestigious university. Multiple publications, including book chapters.

3- Got US Green Card through my cancer research.

4- Had to return to Europe after research for family reasons.

5- Didn't want to loose my US Green Card so came back to the US.

6- Doing publishing work mostly, not in academic institution anymore.

7- I really want to go into the clinic (it's my real passion after doing research).

My questions are:

1- Is it unrealistic to attempt to get into a US gen surgery residency considering time from graduation (it's been ~ 12 years since medical school).

2- Can the fact that I have multiple publications and a green card help? Or is it now all too late?

3- If gen surgery isn't an option, I'd consider other clinical specialties, which ones might be more amenable to my circumstances?

Opinions, tips and advice would be great.
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Hello fellow colleagues:

Would appreciate your input. This is my scenario:

1- Medical graduate from England (2002) w/ honors and also a biomedical degree.

2- Came to US to do cancer research at prestigious university. Multiple publications, including book chapters.

3- Got US Green Card through my cancer research.

4- Had to return to Europe after research for family reasons.

5- Didn't want to loose my US Green Card so came back to the US.

6- Doing publishing work mostly, not in academic institution anymore.

7- I really want to go into the clinic (it's my real passion after doing research).

My questions are:

1- Is it unrealistic to attempt to get into a US gen surgery residency considering time from graduation (it's been ~ 12 years since medical school).

2- Can the fact that I have multiple publications and a green card help? Or is it now all too late?

3- If gen surgery isn't an option, I'd consider other clinical specialties, which ones might be more amenable to my circumstances?

Opinions, tips and advice would be great.
Hello, im in no position for you to take my advice seriously, but from what ive seen on my fellow classmates that are doing this journey we are all doing, ive seen that YOU ARE THE ONE THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE what i mean by this is that for example if you have low scores, have failed the step1, are an old graduate, theres NEVER A CLOSED DOOR, theres always an open door the thing is you just HAVE TO FIGHT FOR IT, is silly when people say "i have these scores do i have a chance?" theres ALWAYS a chance, but in different ways, you sound very well prepared so you have people that can make you killer LORs, for general surgery i really dont know but i know that is hard, probably for the others specialties is less hard but NOT IMPOSSIBLE, try to get good grades + the killer LORs and i think a good program will overlook your graduate year, try to take the tests as soon as possible so your graduate year doesnt look that far away.

anyways this is my opinion, the BEST OF LUCK TO YOU.
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thanks so much, your words mean a lot. What did you mean by fellow classmates? hope you're doing well.
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thanks so much, your words mean a lot. What did you mean by fellow classmates? hope you're doing well.
i mean people that graduated on the same class like me and have done the steps already (i worked for a year, while they were doing the steps) and i have seen that some of them while having decent scores HAVENT MATCH so far, other friend with not so good scores (step 1 210) but had a GREEN CARD, DID MATCH, other person from my same school but older class DID MATCH with good step1 scores. so i see kind of a pattern here, i see that while having decent scores, and recent YOG that doesnt MEAN YOURE GOING TO MATCH, theres always other factors, and thats what i meant with the "you make the difference", for example you can have not so good scores get an interview but you are charismatic and you show passion for what you do, so i believe that makes you stand out, or on the contrary, have decent scores, recent YOG but you blew the interview! or you are an arrogant!! no one will like that person on a program.

so at the end of the day, YOU, me, all the doctors at this forum, have different possibilities of matching, NOT only based on a score, or a YOG... but many other factors which we can use for our advantage, and if we have a bad factor we can "shadow" it with other stuff, thats how i actually see this USMLE journey.

regarding your green card question, it helps.. and a LOT, so you have something on your favor so far.

OH an another thing.. if you REALLY WANT THIS, GO FOR IT!!!, you will regret it in the future for at least not trying.
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thank you for your insight. i really like your optimism. i guess in my case i just regret not having taken the exams when i was doing my research, back then i was right in a hospital, and even some of the powerful people encouraged me to take the exams, but i just didn't. i guess i wanted to produce enough data to be able to get a green card.... and know it's the what if situation, you know of letting opportunities go...

however, i think that you're prob right, in that someone with a "journey" always has another perspectives, and i can tell you, that now, if, or when i go back to the clinic, im going to have a completely different outlook, certainly more profound on patient care, and what it means to be fragile.

so, have you heard, known of IMG's with old YOG successfully match?

thank you again matey.
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thank you for your insight. i really like your optimism. i guess in my case i just regret not having taken the exams when i was doing my research, back then i was right in a hospital, and even some of the powerful people encouraged me to take the exams, but i just didn't. i guess i wanted to produce enough data to be able to get a green card.... and know it's the what if situation, you know of letting opportunities go...

however, i think that you're prob right, in that someone with a "journey" always has another perspectives, and i can tell you, that now, if, or when i go back to the clinic, im going to have a completely different outlook, certainly more profound on patient care, and what it means to be fragile.

so, have you heard, known of IMG's with old YOG successfully match?

thank you again matey.
i think also looking for threads here of olg grads and you can PM them personally to gain more insight will be a good idea.
good luck with whatever decision you choose.
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thank you. im just getting used to the site. how do i find those? and is there a way of keeping in touch privately? might be useful to mutually support each other in the journey.
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My friend told me she met 2 residents at Temple University last semester when she was doing her clerkships there. Both the residents are FMGs (so they dont' have green cards) but matched in as they were strong candidates (had work experience, research publications, and good scores --including Step 3 score.)

Apparently one was from Iran and he worked as a Neurosurgeon for 20 years in Iran before he matched into Neurology (yup sucks that he couldn't get into Neurosurgery) at Temple.

I'm sure you'll find tons of other people who are old grads who matched in on these forums.
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Thank you! How do you suggest I look for them? Through an add? I just think it might be useful/inspirational to know and talk to others in the same shows. Would your friend be happy to consider asking any of those two people about the possibility of getting in touch? thanks again, good day!
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I can ask her although I don't think she's in touch with them. Also you could try forums like usmle forum or prep4usmle forum as I've seen a couple of old grads sharing their experiences.

I also believe the guy who has a blog called Steps to residency is an old grad (not sure though).
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thank you for that. if u come across any directly, and u don't mind please let me know.
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