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Exam-Results New Strange Two-Three digit scores of recent exam takers

I don't know how should I react!

Should I be happy that I got 241 or should I be disappointed that I just got a 85.....anyways thanx to all those who helped me in this forum.
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Stop Please be accurate

There's no such thing, you must be mistaken.

241 can never be 85.

To convince us, upload a screenshot of your score report.
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There's no such thing, you must be mistaken.

241 can never be 85.

To convince us, upload a screenshot of your score report.
mary, that score is correct. The score correlation between 2digit and 3digit scores have changed.
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mary, that score is correct. The score correlation between 2digit and 3digit scores have changed.
what?? can u plz xplain!! how much is iit in 3 digit to get a 99?
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i tried googling
this is wat i found!!
http://www.usmle.org/transcripts/sco...tml#step1exams

according to this there is no change!!
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its true..I got 258 and I have 89 as 2 digit score
For your sake I am uploading the score report
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me too .. i got a 242 and an 85 !! im so confused i dont get it .. something must be wrong
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what?? can u plz xplain!! how much is iit in 3 digit to get a 99?
I think 300 or more MIGHT get you 99!!
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OMG!!! are they SERIOUS?!!?!?!?!
mannn i NOOOOO LIKE ITT>> NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!
but hten again its the same thing!! i think they jus wana get out of the whole 2-digit score thingy. n rely more on the 3-digit score!! u guys did greaat!!!
thats an awesum score!! both of u git 99 acc to the previous scrore correlation. so if u see competiotion wise. u got a good stand!!!
i kno it does SOUND good till its like 99. but screw the change! u got a perfect 3 digit score!! go PARTYYYYY
but i still dont like the change
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dunno how shud i react.......................shud i b happy dat i got 241 or shud i b disappointd dat i jus got a 85.....anywazz thanx to all those who helped me in this forum.....see u in step 2 forum.................
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damn!!! Even i m gonna get my score in a week....oh god this is crazy...and i m not even expecting in 240 range...where am i going to stand at this rate...can we still proceed ahead with 80 -85 th percentile????
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wow higher expectations and this sucks big time
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My results are also confusing:




I hope it's some kind of mistake with 2-digit score

P.S. Here's the explanation: http://www.usmle.org/announcements/?ContentId=81

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my friend got 232 and got 99 b4 1 month
how is this possible
am i losing my mind ?????? 257/88

what is this
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my friend got 232 and got 99 b4 1 month
how is this possible
am i losing my mind ?????? 257/88

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Forget about old 2-digit scores. Now only 3-digit can be used to compare different students.
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The change in scoring procedures will introduce a more stable relationship between score scales in the future. Those receiving 2-digit score results under the new system will note that, in most instances, the 2-digit score associated with a specific 3-digit score will be substantially lower than it was prior to this change.
(c) http://www.usmle.org/announcements/?ContentId=81
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how happy i am to c this thread...!! atleast there is sum explanation for this bizzare score
i was so disappointed with my ck score,,,,,got 237/82.....
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Forget about old 2-digit scores. Now only 3-digit can be used to compare different students.

(c) http://www.usmle.org/announcements/?ContentId=81
so what about previous score who had 99 with 233 or less and that who got 257 with 88 how they will compare between them
????????
i am scared really
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My results are also confusing:


I hope it's some kind of mistake with 2-digit score

P.S. Here's the explanation: http://www.usmle.org/announcements/?ContentId=81
wow!! awesum score!! cud u share ur exam experience with us!!
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Hello everybody... I juts got my step1 score today
211/79

I was planning to compete for General surgery residency. Do u think I can survive with such a score ?
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so what about previous score who had 99 with 233 or less and that who got 257 with 88 how they will compare between them
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i am scared really
FORGET about 2-digit scores! Programs will use 3-digit scores from now on!
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wow!! awesum score!! cud u share ur exam experience with us!!
1 year of preparation. Used a lot of garbage in order to find some bits of information in addition to Kaplan lectures/notes/Qbank+UW+FA+Goljan. So I regret a little bit about this wasted time and energy.
The real exam turned out to be easier than online Qbanks (subjectively).
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DISLIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

99 just has its charm!
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yeah its true the previous step 1 score system was just uptil 0ctober 1 2011 ... i just read ... so i think its true news .. and i have heard that now exams would b more tougher coz there was huge load of 99th percentile before this news ... may b thats gonna b more interesting and competitive ..... now its game just like SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST
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It seems to be an error in the relationship between the two-digit and the three-digit score. The USMLE page advices to use the three-digit score for comparison.

Anyhow, I'm glad you guys did well. Whether it's an 85, or a 95, it's a good grade. I hope I can do as well when my turn comes.
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what above the new threee digit score at 75th percentile ? and now passsing willll b ear about 100 plus to 210 ? any ideas ?
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According to my score report, 75 is 189. I got 236/82!!! I wasn't sure what to make of it, was really confused so I called up ECFMG, then confirmed the whole change in score reporting and that only 3 digits matter. Like somebody said in a another post, RIP 99!!!
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On the two-digit scale, the minimum passing score is always 75. On the three-digit scale, the current minimum passing scores are as follows:
Step 1: 188

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My results are also confusing:




I hope it's some kind of mistake with 2-digit score

P.S. Here's the explanation: http://www.usmle.org/announcements/?ContentId=81
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does any body have idea, what 3 digit score is needed to get 99 in this system??
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Program directors wont see your two digit score! So they will decide based on your three digit score.
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Guyz..its simple..the 2 digit score previously reported was not a percentile.
but i think the one they are reporting now,,,thats the percentile.
U can calculate it urself by looking the Mean and the standard deviation for the three digit scores..
so i strong believe that now they are reporting 2 digit score as a percentile..which i think will be good,coz atleast now it will make some sense
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could please admin tell us what's going on with this 2 or 3 digit thingy thats confusing ....what is this now?
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Congratulation for all but is there an official announcement from usmle or ecfmg that they will not report the 2 digit score to residency programs??
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Congratulation for all but is there an official announcement from usmle or ecfmg that they will not report the 2 digit score to residency programs??
Yes, check the website.
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Default IGNORE 2 digit score

USMLE do not share 2 digit score with PD's or programs but they send only 3 digit score. Now 2 digit score is eliminated. In the above score card above 250+ is excellent and moreover we can notice many stars in score card over high performance.

I think USMLE donot want everyone getting 99 and getting 99 can misead many...so i feel 3 digit score is good thing and we must see only 3 digit score and totally ignore 2 digit score

why everyone is screaming here...i feel from now PD's will compare only 3 digit score with instructions from NBME.

That comparison table does not apply for results reported October 1, 2011 and later.

On or After OCT 1,2011 there will be NEW conversion table so we need to wait usmle to publish new table...the conversion table right now on usmle website apply to exam results before OCT 1,2011

chill guys...its actually gudnews that we can forget 99 addiction and try for decent 3 digit scores from now..GL
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yes the scores are confusing..they changed the scoring pattern..two of my frends got their scores..238/85 and 256/85..
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just wondering what happened to nbme . . .
and what were your scores in nbme's?
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It's true though,, now that we think about it, we all now want to aim for a good 3 point score , the score that is going to get us into residency, not the 2 pointer.

On the contrary , getting a 99 now would be SUPER amazing!
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If directors are not checking two digits now, Why is it that when we check web pages from hospitals some of the requirements is that the applicants have for example a score in step 1 and 2 higher than 90 for example.
I checked a hospital anesthesia residency the other day and it says that all residents have a history of USMLE scores of 90 of higher.
I was happy because of my 99 in step 1, now when I apply to this hospital even if I get more than 240 in step 2 it will be less than a 90 in two digits.

So how can they still say that they only look at 3 digits,.
Is not fair to change the 2 digit score if some hospitals still look at 2 digits.
85 before was a low 3 digit, now 85 is what was a 99 before.
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As of 3rd of June, only 3 digits are reported on the USMLE transcript sent to the PDs, no 2 digits, so I suppose we are safe as we don't send our score reports to the hospitals. But yeah you are right about whats mentioned on the websites but again, most of these pages are not up to date, they are usually years old. I got 99/246 in step 1 myself but not stuck with 82 with 3 digits on 236!!

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If directors are not checking two digits now, Why is it that when we check web pages from hospitals some of the requirements is that the applicants have for example a score in step 1 and 2 higher than 90 for example.
I checked a hospital anesthesia residency the other day and it says that all residents have a history of USMLE scores of 90 of higher.
I was happy because of my 99 in step 1, now when I apply to this hospital even if I get more than 240 in step 2 it will be less than a 90 in two digits.

So how can they still say that they only look at 3 digits,.
Is not fair to change the 2 digit score if some hospitals still look at 2 digits.
85 before was a low 3 digit, now 85 is what was a 99 before.
So confused and upset.
Its obvious that they will change the criteria. I think everything will rely on 3 digit only now onwards.
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In the past few months I have been seeing high scores in the range of 270-280

now: passing 188 = 75; 280 = 99

before: passing 188 = 75; 233 = 99


way before that: passing 185 = 75; 228 = 99


What does this show/prove?

Fixed # of residency spots [A small increase]
Unproprotionate # of medical students [not 1:1 or even 1:10 but 1:20 ratio]

exponentially increased # of people in medical profession [attending medical schools, or in med profession with experience, worldwide]

and these people are doing that much better and work smarter given the increased demand with chances in a fast-paced society

which says exams need to be given in a different way to be compared more effectively

which translates to theoretical concepts can not be twisted in any other way [because of the internet and intellectual capacity of people , all possible ways of twisting a concept are available SOMEWHERE]

but they refues to make the system 'fair' per se [my opinion, not fact]...

so how to keep the competitive edge... well... competitive?... change the grading scale!

If you extrapolate the scores based on the point spread, you will see it normalizes [not sure if this is the most appropriate word]

... so the 2 digit score spread makes sense based on the number of people scoring very high, which i have been noticing are IMGs [i.e. students in India, China, Russia, Japan, Germany, etc], many of who compete for a fraction of a point in a much less fair environment in their home countries... thus manage to do exponentially better in a more fair, practical system.

I dislike the new scores, but it makes perfect sense. On one level there is more 'fairness' for people applying during a match.

AMGs or US Citizens studying in Caribbean Schools will still get first preference over all others.

However, competition has increased ... drastically! Students that go abroad will have to get that extra 40 points [before 233, now 273], before they will be considered for those extremely competitive spots [Rads, NeuroSurg, etc], or in some cases even to be competitive for the regular residency spots [E.g. Famliy Med at Johns Hopkins]

(And please dont waste tax payers money on doing research or an in-depth analysis of scores, demographics, and the new relationships/implications - its pointless. Use the tax payers money to pay the docs to make the system 1 spot : 1 student)

Note: Two digit scores still show up on a score sheet thus all programs will still see the 2 digit score. Everybody is saying that residency programs will use the 3 digit score. That is non-sense talk IMHO. Why do I say that? You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Old timers are more familiar with their method and way of thinking thus will resort to their old , biased scaling system of measuring applicants. It is the essence of competition. ... And what can be done? Nothing. You can't change people.

I think its f'd up because this gives program directors a new way to screw with students who really work hard and struggle through alot more compared to the US Grad, who kind of gets off easy.

So in summary as much as it is fair for the sake of competition, it is equally as unfair. Though it makes perfect sense. Thank you NBME/ACGME for this change, because this tells me I have figured out your little hidden equation. It also tells me I officially have no shot at residencies which I should be able to attain.

Where is my shovel? I should find a burial site in India. Maybe my soul will magically move onto a next-generation person from india who will magically get my knowledge and experiences and find a way to fix this system. [Obviously a joke.]

I probably should not be making this post... Somebody will dislike me for this... Oh well. Just need to work smarter, I guess...

or is it work harder? ...

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In the past few months I have been seeing ............or is it work harder? ...
Its already mentioned on USMLE website that Program director will not get 2 digit scores ...
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I think some people on this thread are forgetting that PD know the match system a lot better then any of us.

Also it has said many times in the past nobody cares about the two digit scores, all that really matters is the three digit score. Hence why the AMG boards are NOT freaking out like all the IMG boards.
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@Islandcrazy: I agree. but the stress is still there for many.

@Jaimin: I did not read it. I will check it out now. thx
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hi everybody
I am IMG & I have just finished Step 2 Ck which the last exam for me to be certified,the step 1 exam I got high score & pass CS 1s time & I am waiting the result of CK ,as we are in December is it a good idea to applied ? I have experience in my home country but not inside U S A ,is there any branch that does not need US experience ?
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However, competition has increased ... drastically! Students that go abroad will have to get that extra 40 points [before 233, now 273], before they will be considered for those extremely competitive spots [Rads, NeuroSurg, etc], or in some cases even to be competitive for the regular residency spots [E.g. Famliy Med at Johns Hopkins]

(And please dont waste tax payers money on doing research or an in-depth analysis of scores, demographics, and the new relationships/implications - its pointless. Use the tax payers money to pay the docs to make the system 1 spot : 1 student)

Note: Two digit scores still show up on a score sheet thus all programs will still see the 2 digit score. Everybody is saying that residency programs will use the 3 digit score. That is non-sense talk IMHO. Why do I say that? You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Old timers are more familiar with their method and way of thinking thus will resort to their old , biased scaling system of measuring applicants. It is the essence of competition. ... And what can be done? Nothing. You can't change people.

I think its f'd up because this gives program directors a new way to screw with students who really work hard and struggle through alot more compared to the US Grad, who kind of gets off easy.

So in summary as much as it is fair for the sake of competition, it is equally as unfair. Though it makes perfect sense. Thank you NBME/ACGME for this change, because this tells me I have figured out your little hidden equation. It also tells me I officially have no shot at residencies which I should be able to attain.

Where is my shovel? I should find a burial site in India. Maybe my soul will magically move onto a next-generation person from india who will magically get my knowledge and experiences and find a way to fix this system. [Obviously a joke.]

I probably should not be making this post... Somebody will dislike me for this... Oh well. Just need to work smarter, I guess...

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Dear meddoc4u,

There are some points in your post that you got completely wrong.

1) Only you yourself are going to see your two digit score on your report! That is not bullshit. Just read the usmle.org homepage. I believe what they say on there. Cause if you don't listen to usmle.org, who are you gonna listen to??

2) Since PD don't see your two digit scores anymore, you won't need a 273 for programs where you needed a 233 before! How do you think that works? There will just magically appear so many students with a 273 all of a sudden? Nobody really tried before, and now that they want more points, hundreds of ppl easily get a 273? That doesn't make ANY sense.

3) how do you excpect the system to be one spot : one student? Then simply everyone would get a spot without even trying. And they still would have to make more spots available every year, because there are more ppl applying every year

This is not a scam (like you said, "I have figured out your little hidden equation"). It seems to me you are a bit paranoid and think everyone is out to hurt you.
It's your decision whether to continue with this journey or not.
I just hope you realize the stuff you wrote is not true at all.

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meddoc4u, you're being irrational and immature. I want to point out that IMG's, as you mentioned, actually do not score higher. On average they do worse on the USMLE.

I hope you're competent enough for the journey that lies ahead. Listen to val7.
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@val7: Thanks for the direction. I realize it now. The 2 digit score is only for licensure purposes and not program directors. I was misinformed from others who have told me about it. I did not read the usmle.org articles prior to making the post.

At times I do feel like I have some paranoia. Perhaps rotations, and being around more people who actually make sense, will help fix that, rather than being stuck inside 4 walls and studying and etc... who knows.

@alright: irrational? immature? incompetent? SMH.
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My results are also confusing:




I hope it's some kind of mistake with 2-digit score

P.S. Here's the explanation: http://www.usmle.org/announcements/?ContentId=81
you did great how did u do that plz help me i have my exam in march too need that score
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I think they changed the pool allocation for students
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i got 202.......77 according to the new scoring system
any suggestions should i continue or not?
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New Strange Two-Three digit scores of recent exam takers-snip20130203_1.png


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They just made an announcement that they will stop reporting 2-digit scores altogether. I think it's a good idea, it is just confusing people. So many people have told me "I am aiming for 99 percent." - Well, it is neither percent nor can you still get a 99!

http://www.usmle.org/announcements/?ContentId=111

"As previously reported, the USMLE program has begun the process of eliminating the reporting of results on the 2-digit score scale to parties other than the examinee and any state licensing authority to which the examinee sends results. This process began on July 1, 2011 with elimination of 2-digit scores from USMLE transcripts reported through ERAS.
The USMLE program will extend this change in reporting to include ALL score recipients (e.g., examinees, state medical boards). This means that scores on the 2-digit scale will no longer be calculated or reported. We expect to eliminate the 2-digit score on or about April of 2013. This change pertains to the Step 1, Step 2 CK, and Step 3 examinations only; Step 2 CS will continue to be reported as pass or fail."
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