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Hello guys,
I have this problem with the Step2Ck results after they changed the question pool.
i totally thing there must be something wrong with the new question pool. we are four friends , and four out of four had this disasterous situation,
1- one was completely ready to apply for this match but got her CK score and has failed it,
her UWSA: 245, step 1 score: 227, CS passed first attempt with high performance, research assistant in GW, and 6 month of US externship with strong LORs from great faculty members!!
--Myself: CK: 211,UWSA :244,
-othere one CK: 217,UWSA :248,
-- another one: UWSA :252, CK: 219.
there should be something wrong, and guys we put our life on this!! Lets do something about it. If any one feel the same thong please put your comment here, then we figure out something and contact ECFMG with proof. Thank you.
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Hello guys,
I have this problem with the Step2Ck results after they changed the question pool.
i totally thing there must be something wrong with the new question pool. we are four friends , and four out of four had this disasterous situation,
1- one was completely ready to apply for this match but got her CK score and has failed it,
her UWSA: 245, step 1 score: 227, CS passed first attempt with high performance, research assistant in GW, and 6 month of US externship with strong LORs from great faculty members!!
--Myself: CK: 211,UWSA :244,
-othere one CK: 217,UWSA :248,
-- another one: UWSA :252, CK: 219.
there should be something wrong, and guys we put our life on this!! Lets do something about it. If any one feel the same thong please put your comment here, then we figure out something and contact ECFMG with proof. Thank you.

Yea my UWSA was 221 and got 206. Had great LORs, publications and good prospects. What can we do?

USMLE will just tell us 'tough luck, you're IMGs. Do it again or go back.'
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Hi idio,
I just talked to one of the ECFMG representatives, he said they've received some calls in that matter, suggested to write a letter and fax it to them, but i wanted to know first that we are not just 3-4 people, in that way we cant do anything about it,
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Hi idio,
I just talked to one of the ECFMG representatives, he said they've received some calls in that matter, suggested to write a letter and fax it to them, but i wanted to know first that we are not just 3-4 people, in that way we cant do anything about it,
Most of the IMGs I have seen fail or barely pass had much higher UWSA scores and would definitely be interested. Keep us updated.

Do you think there's something fishy going on?

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You know im just saying that the resources weren't enough to answer the new questions, and its not fair comparing to the other students who took the exam before the change.
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Please tell others to come to this thread and write about their scores. We need this!
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Every year there is a period where they get rid of old questions and introduce new questions into the pool. every year...

I believe that the new questions wont be graded and are experimental first until they have enough data on how hard the questions are.

I believe there is nothing you can do.
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I have the same problem. My UWSA was 260 and I got 240 in real exam. For me the questions were not really hard. I got surprised with my score
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I received 240 on UWSA and went down to 210 on CK. Very disappointed.
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I seem to have had the opposite experience. My UWSA was my lowest practice scores at 224, about 4 days prior to CK. My NBMES were 229, 233, 237.

My actual CK exam was MUCH harder than any of my practice exams. I ended up with a 241 on the real CK. I'm thinking the curving is much different based on the level of difficulty of exams. I was pleasantly surprised.
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Do they give the same exam to IMGs as they do to US MDs?
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Hi guys, one of my friend has got 179 score on ck. He did offline nbme 2 3 4 and 6 average percentage was around 80%. He is the gud student and he was expecting score more than 240. He is still in denial phase.
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Note: I haven't taken Step 2 CK yet. I will soon.

I feel for you guys, I sincerely do. As an IMG, I know the struggle and the stress. But I'm quite sure there is nothing wrong with the exam. UW is always months behind the actual CK exam. While I also hate that there is no perfect resource for Step 2, I can't blame UW or any books for lapses in my knowledge. I am also terrified of the CK especially seeing the huge fluctuations in scores between UWSA, NBME, and the actual exam, but we can't fight statistics. I feel like UW and NBME don't dive into "clinical instinct" a lot, and there's really no way we can get those instincts from books. I wish there was a way, but I don't see one.

With that being said, I just want to let you know that I don't think you have a case with the examination organization. It is a computer algorithm creating your score, based on other people's scores. I am truly on your side, because I'm on the same boat as you. But I just don't think there's anything to fight here. If I bomb the exam, I will be convinced that it was me at fault. I know we look for someone else to blame (we ALL do), but every day I'm humbled with how little I know. The US education system is better than mine, I can't deny it. And I'm finding a lot of the material just isn't found in books. It's found in experience.

Where I do agree, though, is that I wish there was a way for them to tell us WHAT REALLY we should be studying, but medicine is just too vast. I can only hope that UW and other resource books quickly update to stay current and relevant.

I wish you guys well!
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i am truly terrified by this.
i wrote my step one same period and felt same.
the only question is how do we beat this guys on the new exam pool.

any materials that can complement what we already have.
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Note: I haven't taken Step 2 CK yet. I will soon.

I feel for you guys, I sincerely do. As an IMG, I know the struggle and the stress. But I'm quite sure there is nothing wrong with the exam. UW is always months behind the actual CK exam. While I also hate that there is no perfect resource for Step 2, I can't blame UW or any books for lapses in my knowledge. I am also terrified of the CK especially seeing the huge fluctuations in scores between UWSA, NBME, and the actual exam, but we can't fight statistics. I feel like UW and NBME don't dive into "clinical instinct" a lot, and there's really no way we can get those instincts from books. I wish there was a way, but I don't see one.

With that being said, I just want to let you know that I don't think you have a case with the examination organization. It is a computer algorithm creating your score, based on other people's scores. I am truly on your side, because I'm on the same boat as you. But I just don't think there's anything to fight here. If I bomb the exam, I will be convinced that it was me at fault. I know we look for someone else to blame (we ALL do), but every day I'm humbled with how little I know. The US education system is better than mine, I can't deny it. And I'm finding a lot of the material just isn't found in books. It's found in experience.

Where I do agree, though, is that I wish there was a way for them to tell us WHAT REALLY we should be studying, but medicine is just too vast. I can only hope that UW and other resource books quickly update to stay current and relevant.

I wish you guys well!
I don't agree with you at all.

When there is a 10,20 or 30 point drop between practice exams and the real thing, and many people are dropping from such practice exams to the point that they either barely pass or fail, I'm gonna have to say that it IS the exam and not us.

I read on reddit that US students have had a 18% failure rate with the CS exam, and how there might have been pressure on USMLE to make CK tougher on IMGs to equalize that.

We don't know the new stats, this is a brand new pool and honestly I felt the questions tested were far beyond what a 3rd year medicine student should know even JUST TO PASS. I'm not talking about getting 240s or 250s, I'm talking about passing. We might not have a case because we don't have money or power, but the exam was unfair.

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hey

I feel for you guys . Will you be willing to share your exam prep sources , so that the future exam takers can find out what to do ?

Did you guys do kaplan bank or usmle rx ? and what books did you guys read apart from MTB 2/3?

any help will be appreciated
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I don't agree with you at all.

When there is a 10,20 or 30 point drop between practice exams and the real thing, and many people are dropping from such practice exams to the point that they either barely pass or fail, I'm gonna have to say that it IS the exam and not us.

I read on reddit that US students have had a 18% failure rate with the CS exam, and how there might have been pressure on USMLE to make CK tougher on IMGs to equalize that.

We don't know the new stats, this is a brand new pool and honestly I felt the questions tested were far beyond what a 3rd year medicine student should know even JUST TO PASS. I'm not talking about getting 240s or 250s, I'm talking about passing. We might not have a case because we don't have money or power, but the exam was unfair.
Ok I'm going to play devil's advocate a bit here, but:

1. When we argue that our scores are lower than our PRACTICE exams, these are not official endorsed exams. In fact, UWSA and NBME specifically say that the estimate is NOT accurate. Tons of people get above 20, and tons of people get below 20 compared to their practice exams on the CK. The practice tests have never been a good estimate for Step 2.

2. USMLE is not targeting IMGs or giving IMGs harder exams. That is conspiracy theory.

3. I believe you when you say many questions are insane on the CK. BUT, everybody is on the same boat, IMGs and AMGs. We all get the same test. We are all put on a normal distribution, and the reality is that the average AMG is scoring 240. So it means that we don't know our stuff as well as they do.

I really really feel for you guys, and I fear I will be in the EXACT same place in the coming months when I get my score back, but let's try to be real. We aren't being targeted.
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Ok I'm going to play devil's advocate a bit here, but:

1. When we argue that our scores are lower than our PRACTICE exams, these are not official endorsed exams. In fact, UWSA and NBME specifically say that the estimate is NOT accurate. Tons of people get above 20, and tons of people get below 20 compared to their practice exams on the CK. The practice tests have never been a good estimate for Step 2.
These are not officially endorsed exams, but historically speaking I have never heard of THIS many people dropping THIS MUCH on the real thing. In fact the practice exams have been known to underpredict, especially NBMEs. Dropping 20 points I have never heard of, not to mention that there are people here who dropped 40 points! My friend was getting 230s on practice tests and got 208. How high a score do we need on practice tests to feel comfortable enough to pass? 270? For real?

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2. USMLE is not targeting IMGs or giving IMGs harder exams. That is conspiracy theory.
It is a conspiracy theory, but if the fact that 18% of US MDs have failed CS is true, it would make no sense for them to give U.S. students such a hard exam as well. I don't think IMGs are that much stupider than AMGs, do you?

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3. I believe you when you say many questions are insane on the CK. BUT, everybody is on the same boat, IMGs and AMGs. We all get the same test. We are all put on a normal distribution, and the reality is that the average AMG is scoring 240. So it means that we don't know our stuff as well as they do.

I really really feel for you guys, and I fear I will be in the EXACT same place in the coming months when I get my score back, but let's try to be real. We aren't being targeted.
The average is not 240, please don't talk anything. We don't know the new average, the old average was a 240 for exams before the new pool. They haven't published the new average or SD. This thread is for people to vent their frustrations, but you decide to put in your unnecessary two cents, rub salt on wounds and then say 'I feel bad for you'. Give me a break.

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most of us spent a lot of time on forums reading exam experiences but i personally think the preparation of most IMG for this exam is largely inadequate.

This is because we turn to focus on short cuts in an examination that is amenable to so much variation.In contrast AMG basically prepare for this exam all through medical school.

Some people say they study ONLY uw for CK for example.By doing so you ignore a lot of irrelevant stuff [according to UW] which may show up in the exam.

However i do have a personal feeling international students are being targeted probably to reduce number of applications.
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i can relate too!
UWSA 245
real deal 226
i just can't wait to see the new average
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This thread is for people to vent their frustrations, but you decide to put in your unnecessary two cents, rub salt on wounds and then say 'I feel bad for you'. Give me a break.
That's not cool. I'm offering my honest opinion here. I'm not trying to rub salt, as these will also be my own wounds soon. But ok, if this is a place just to vent, so be it.

No hard feelings. We DO need to vent, and I'll come back in a couple months to vent too when my marks arrive.
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passed got 225. .
nbme 4 1 week before exam 248
nbme 6 2week before exam 235
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passed got 225. .
nbme 4 1 week before exam 248
nbme 6 2week before exam 235
Hey Chpramodh, what are your thoughts about why your score was lower? Like what aspect of the exam did you find that you were underprepared for?
For example, was it recognizing the diagnosis, or knowing what the next step is, etc? Just curious. I'm trying to be constructive about where us IMGs are falling short on the new questions.
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most of us spent a lot of time on forums reading exam experiences but i personally think the preparation of most IMG for this exam is largely inadequate.

This is because we turn to focus on short cuts in an examination that is amenable to so much variation.In contrast AMG basically prepare for this exam all through medical school.

Some people say they study ONLY uw for CK for example.By doing so you ignore a lot of irrelevant stuff [according to UW] which may show up in the exam.

However i do have a personal feeling international students are being targeted probably to reduce number of applications.
AMGs don't spend 3 years studying for this, they spend at most 1. Probably a few months like the rest of us, with 3rd year being filled with clinical. First two years are much more Step 1 intensive.

I know some AMGs who had lower scores than me do well. I just found out another IMG friend of mine failed and was getting 230s on practice tests. I'm convinced now that there are different tests.
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The myth of is there different versions for IMGs

http://blogs.askdoc-usmle.com/is-the...than-for-amgs/

Guys, this forum started to drag me into depression.

Let's just study and try to close the distance between us and AMGs.
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Article is from 2008....ancient and irrelevant in my opinion
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Article is from 2008....ancient and irrelevant in my opinion
Whatever you say man...
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The myth of is there different versions for IMGs

http://blogs.askdoc-usmle.com/is-the...than-for-amgs/

Guys, this forum started to drag me into depression.

Let's just study and try to close the distance between us and AMGs.
Yeah, it's a good reminder that every year, IMGs feel the same way. Year after year after year. To suggest "But THIS year is different" is tough since they have been saying that every year since 2008 or earlier.

We all struggle when we get low scores. And we all RATIONALIZE our low scores and blame something else, but it's our own lapse in knowledge. I'm NOT targeting anyone with that statement, because we ALL experience that.

I DO believe that IMGs don't have any perfect resources that will give us the "American med school experience", so no matter what we try to do, we seem to come up a bit short. We can't replace books with in-hospital experience/training, unfortunately
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I gave exam on august 24 and result came on sep 16.I barely passed.I dont believe this score as i was doing good in uworld (70-75%) and self assessments.I also think that something is wrong after the changed pool.I even mailed ecfmg to look into this issue and have sent for recheck.Guys i am hopeless......my journey to residency has almost shattered.My other friend is also complaining of low score.lets do something.I request you guys to send email to ecfmg so that they will feel pressurized.Have you guys heard of changed score from rechecks?
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I gave exam on august 24 and result came on sep 16.I barely passed.I dont believe this score as i was doing good in uworld (70-75%) and self assessments.I also think that something is wrong after the changed pool.I even mailed ecfmg to look into this issue and have sent for recheck.Guys i am hopeless......my journey to residency has almost shattered.My other friend is also complaining of low score.lets do something.I request you guys to send email to ecfmg so that they will feel pressurized.Have you guys heard of changed score from rechecks?
What were your assessments if you don't mind?
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What were your assessments if you don't mind?
Fred 82%
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I also got 20 points less than my UWSA. I think it is probably because they changed the question pool, so UWSA is no longer accurate to predict scores.. I dont believe it is some kind of persecution to IMGs, it is just that they change the pool and probably now the way we prepared is not the right one.

But I think the mean will remain similar, as many AMGs are still getting high scores! I am reeeeally curious about the new mean and SDs
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Hey everyone, first of all I'd like to say that it's a really hard process to go through and I support everyone who feels like the result wasn't as they had hoped.
I'd also like to share that I had only 20 questions in my last block.
I was shocked with my score too as I did really well on Uworld and actually I didn't think that the exam was that hard. I rechecked the number of questions many times and later emailed ecfmg about it and they confirmed that it was so.

I know that the score is generated by a computer, and so far any changes in scores are unheard of, but I also think that it's not impossible that they could have messed up because the format was changed and perhaps the grading format was also changed.

Moreover, ecfmg posted on May 20th that we are making modifications, so if you appear after july 10th your results will be delayed etc a year before it was July 31st I believe and the announcement came on June 18th, it's really annoying that they have no sense of how long it takes to plan these exams and it can be very stressful, it's almost as someone else designs the content outline and they have no idea about it. The least they can do is try and stick to a schedule july 10th and 31st is 3 weeks of Uworld if you guys get what I mean specially if this is near your exam time. Or we can all just get done in May in case they jump to June next year and decide to release the results a week after ERAS applications open.

I feel like they have way too much power and there's nothing we can do about it.
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Guys I was thinking that those persons who takes exam at end of the month usually get low scores and I believe exam is tougher at end of month, but those ones taking at the beginning or first days of month they get higher scores. Is it true?
I really want to know if you guys that had that drop is because you took exam end of month? Please appreciate if you continue with this post
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I don't think there's an unbiased way of addressing this question.
If you could have measured the level of preparedness and equlize the background&intelligence of test takers than we might have a case.
Hard to who? What is hard?
If you're just asking experiences I took it at 11th and it was very challenging to me , I failed and ended up with 197.
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say you get 190 on usmle step 2 ck, how many more questions would you need to get right to reach the passing score of 209?
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say you get 190 on usmle step 2 ck, how many more questions would you need to get right to reach the passing score of 209?
Nobody knows for sure. They don't tell us.

Our final score involves (to an unknown degree) comparison/distribution to other peoples scores, but for all we know, our final score is complete voodoo. It is a secret well-kept.
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Was it just me or did you have problems with the questions that have have a long passage and few questions to answer based on that passage? It was like a research article on left side and then right side questions. This caused time management issues, right? Or were these very easy?
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Hello guys, I am an ancient IMG (YOG 1995). Have been very successful with the USMLE: step 1 244, CK (score came in yesterday) 255, CS pass in first attempt (in the dreaded Philly center).

If I may share my two cents with you, I do not believe in conspiracy theories surrounding AMG and IMG exams. The USMLE gives us even ground to compete. It is in my mind fair play.

The exams are really tough; to me the real exam was much tougher than the NBME self assessments. Nevertheless, for step 1 and for step 2ck I scored about 10 points higher in the real thing than in my better corresponding NBME result.

On exam day what is required is strength for the long haul, it's 8 (step 1) or 9 (ck) hours in the exam center. What I feel prepared me best was to systematically do 44 question blocks and thoroughly review every single answer (right or wrong) writing down my summary of concepts in my first aid book, I used the first aid for the usmle step 1 for both step 1 and step 2 ck.

I used Kaplan and UWorld qbanks. In addition, I prepared with Kaplan classroom anywhere for step 1 and ck. I did a live course in a Kaplan center for cs.

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Do you have links for kaplan classroom anywhere for step 2 ck
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What the hell is going on with CK .. I had a mood for studying uworld this afternoon , Now I m anxious and don't have any mood for studying..
What's going on!!
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What the hell is going on with CK .. I had a mood for studying uworld this afternoon , Now I m anxious and don't have any mood for studying..
What's going on!!


means you should study more .....
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Any updates on ecfmg response towards fax letter? What should be the content of letter?How many of you have applied for recheck?
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I sent in the recheck, they say it takes weeks to get the reply. They won't do anything, I've started to study again more indepth. Might even get a tutor.
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Hi guys I had the same problem on my test i got 219 and im really shocked.. I was doing well on uworld 73% overall, nbme 4 255, uwsa 248, practice test from usmle.ogr 86% correct. I really dont know what happened. The day of the test i was calm and confident, but I FELT LIKE THE TEST WAS REALLY HARD really vague questions and weird question stems. Can someone tell me how I can send an email to ecfmg or usmle to see if they can double check my test or regrade it. Ever since they change the questions pool some people have had the same problem.

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Hi guys I had the same problem on my test i got 219 and im really shocked.. I was doing well on uworld 73% overall, nbme 4 255, uwsa 248, practice test from usmle.ogr 86% correct. I really dont know what happened. The day of the test i was calm and confident, but I FELT LIKE THE TEST WAS REALLY HARD really vague questions and weird question stems. Can someone tell me how I can send an email to ecfmg or usmle to see if they can double check my test or regrade it. Ever since they change the questions pool some people have had the same problem.

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was ur nbme online or offline?
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For those that took CK recently, I was wondering what your thoughts are about the content of the new exam. Obviously it's REALLY HARD, but are you able to pinpoint WHAT made it harder? (I know that's not necessarily easy to determine. I remember walking out of Step 1 feeling like crap, like I failed it, and not able to really pinpoint why.) But your thoughts on the new CK format would be greatly appreciated!

For example was the problem:
- VAGUENESS of the questions?
- MORE THAN ONE equally good answer-choice to decide between?
- Weird signs and symptoms where you couldn't even determine what the diagnosis was?
- Really detailed questions asking minutiae that UW or MTB doesn't discuss?

I'm just trying to get an idea of what form of beast we're now up against. Thanks!
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To follow up from my post above:

If you could take it again, would you bother doing anything differently anyways?

I ask this because with my Step 1, there were lots of questions I couldn't answer, but I realized that even if I had 6 more months of studying, I STILL probably would've got those answers wrong!
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Jambalya, you got the right idea my friend. There is no magic to this, even if you added 2-3 months more, could one get the hard or vague questions right, doubtful.

I took the test recently. My advice, you still few things know it will. You spread yourself out and know a lot of things so so, this is apoptosis, suicide.

Listen, these tests are about studying smart. The questions I felt were very long, time management is key. If you dont know high yield very well and your time management is off, then this will be a disaster.

The test has the high yield questions that you will learn from MTB, uworld. Then there are few tricks and vague questions, but you got to nail the high yield questions. Now if you want a score of 230 plus, then you have to be the high IQ student who can get the hard and vague questions correct.

Otherwise, you might be 210-230 range is obtainable if you know all the high yield in and out, meaning uworld and mtb and basic concepts. I had some very basic questions too, where I thought to myself are they really asking this, that's what threw me off. Look, if you got a great foundation going into this test and get the basic questions, the easy ck questions, the medium correct, you will have no problem getting the 210-230. If you want 230 plus, you better add more resources to your regiment and know those in and out.

Now it comes to who you are, your foundation, your IQ, and how many sources you can absorb in and out. There is no real recipe to this test. How much can you do is the question? So like I tell my friends, first do the questions and one resource really well, see where you are at doing an assessment, and then determine how much more you can absorb without hemorrhaging information.

So know who you are! Do not get into magical thoughts I want a 250 plus, you might not be that type. I wish you all the best, to all students of this forum and the future.
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I just talked to one of the ECFMG representatives, he said they've received some calls in that matter, suggested to write a letter and fax it to them, but i wanted to know first that we are not just 3-4 people, in that way we cant do anything about it.
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I'm in the same boat here, I took the CK exam in the US and I failed even though I got a good score on the USMLE World self assessment exam. I sent for a score recheck and I'll fax an official complaint to the ECFMG.
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I'm in the same boat here, I took the CK exam in the US and I failed even though I got a good score on the USMLE World self assessment exam. I sent for a score recheck and I'll fax an official complaint to the ECFMG.

whats the score you got on uworld self?
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I just talked to one of the ECFMG representatives, he said they've received some calls in that matter, suggested to write a letter and fax it to them, but i wanted to know first that we are not just 3-4 people, in that way we cant do anything about it.
Can someone give a fax number or email address? Like all of you, I don't have much time to do research on this but if someone who already did can provide a method , I'm willing to join the crew.
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hi i took exam on 23rd september : it was way tooo difficult i have marked 18 questions in every block and it was extra hard :
my NBME score 4 : 245
UWSA : 244
NBME7 : 223


i found exam 50 times more difficults than NBME 7 for step 2ck


m very tense i was feeling completely defeated after exam and i m worried i made 8 silly mistakes in a hurry coz question stems were very long

and i marked 18 questions in every block

anyways hoping for good

but guys let me tell you one thing the mean will be lower this time .. exam totally changed i didnt find it like uworld ,., it was more like kap Qbank or even more tough

my Qbank scores were random 71%

but i feeel like i have failed the real exam when i was taking it coz it was extra difficult

m expecting my result on next wednesday as my friends got scores in 3 weeks now for step 2ck


yeah guys u r right everything changed now they have new Question pool for usmle step 2ck ...


uworld was on my finger tips n it didnt help at all


i can say just 30% stuff was from Question banks available to practise ..
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For those that took CK recently, I was wondering what your thoughts are about the content of the new exam. Obviously it's REALLY HARD, but are you able to pinpoint WHAT made it harder? (I know that's not necessarily easy to determine. I remember walking out of Step 1 feeling like crap, like I failed it, and not able to really pinpoint why.) But your thoughts on the new CK format would be greatly appreciated!

For example was the problem:
- VAGUENESS of the questions?
- MORE THAN ONE equally good answer-choice to decide between?
- Weird signs and symptoms where you couldn't even determine what the diagnosis was?
- Really detailed questions asking minutiae that UW or MTB doesn't discuss?

I'm just trying to get an idea of what form of beast we're now up against. Thanks!
Now that i have had some time to think about my CK exam, In my mind the main thing that caused me problems was the way questions were worded. I didn't feel at ease solving these questions, like i did with UW. The questions had a ton of information, a lot more intricate and detailed. However, only 50% of that info was relevant to arriving at the diagnosis and the rest was just there to slow you down.
To sum it all up, the detailed questions cause you to struggle with time, and now you don't have time to figure out and crack certain questions you normally would have been able to and all of a sudden your stuck in this vicious cycle. I struggled to finish 5 of 8 blocks and had to randomly put down answers sometimes, especially drug ads and the biostats questions. I would advise you guys to aim at finishing UW blocks with >5 minutes remaining in order to prepare yourselves for this. Good luck everyone.
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hi i took exam on 23rd september : it was way tooo difficult i have marked 18 questions in every block and it was extra hard :
my NBME score 4 : 245
UWSA : 244
NBME7 : 223


i found exam 50 times more difficults than NBME 7 for step 2ck


m very tense i was feeling completely defeated after exam and i m worried i made 8 silly mistakes in a hurry coz question stems were very long

and i marked 18 questions in every block

anyways hoping for good

but guys let me tell you one thing the mean will be lower this time .. exam totally changed i didnt find it like uworld ,., it was more like kap Qbank or even more tough

my Qbank scores were random 71%

but i feeel like i have failed the real exam when i was taking it coz it was extra difficult

m expecting my result on next wednesday as my friends got scores in 3 weeks now for step 2ck


yeah guys u r right everything changed now they have new Question pool for usmle step 2ck ...


uworld was on my finger tips n it didnt help at all


i can say just 30% stuff was from Question banks available to practise ..

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Now that i have had some time to think about my CK exam, In my mind the main thing that caused me problems was the way questions were worded. I didn't feel at ease solving these questions, like i did with UW. The questions had a ton of information, a lot more intricate and detailed. However, only 50% of that info was relevant to arriving at the diagnosis and the rest was just there to slow you down.
To sum it all up, the detailed questions cause you to struggle with time, and now you don't have time to figure out and crack certain questions you normally would have been able to and all of a sudden your stuck in this vicious cycle. I struggled to finish 5 of 8 blocks and had to randomly put down answers sometimes, especially drug ads and the biostats questions. I would advise you guys to aim at finishing UW blocks with >5 minutes remaining in order to prepare yourselves for this. Good luck everyone.

So what kind of advice would you give in hindsight and what review material did you use? like MTB or first aid?

Would it be more difficult to do more review book reading rather than practice questions from uworld? I don't think there are many other questions people use besides kaplan but only heard kaplan questions are really old.

Are not all the testable concepts taught from uworld in some sense?

Did you have a new question strategy like reading the last portion and then going back to the top of the question or looking at the answers to frame your mind?

Anyways reading posts like this makes people more nervous Hope the results works well for you!
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my advice to u dont just rely on MTB and uworld only . i did everything .. n extensively but real deal was very tough for
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medQuest videos internal medicine
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but i will say do questions more n more and do lengthy questions .,.. i made confirmed 10-15 mistakes in exam coz of less time and i marked 18 Qs in every block so u can imagine the new step 2ck real exam
my nbme was 245 and uwsa 244
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So what kind of advice would you give in hindsight and what review material did you use? like MTB or first aid?

Would it be more difficult to do more review book reading rather than practice questions from uworld? I don't think there are many other questions people use besides kaplan but only heard kaplan questions are really old.

Are not all the testable concepts taught from uworld in some sense?

Did you have a new question strategy like reading the last portion and then going back to the top of the question or looking at the answers to frame your mind?

Anyways reading posts like this makes people more nervous Hope the results works well for you!
i will say that to be better prepare do kap Q bank for sure coz question stems are long ... and its all about luck .. some gets easy exam and some get tough .. we were two guys at promectric taking step 2 and both of us were shocked like we marked 18 questions and it was out of box..

to be best prepare do wikipedia of every topic .
for eg : i was asked about screening of HOCM in real exam : now thats now mentioned in any book

its mentioned on wikipedia that currently there is no screening recommendation for hocm in usa.. so i will say go more n more high .. hit questions more n more...
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got ck score today 211. im shocked. all nbme are in 230's!!!!
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got ck score today 211. im shocked. all nbme are in 230's!!!!
how you felt after doing exam ? m also tense about my results .. coz have seen alot of low scores now as they changed the Qbank
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I felt i did much better than any NBMEs on exam day. most of my NBMEs i gave online in the final 2 months of preparation and scored between 225 to 233. I was so confident i wont go below 225 after taking the exam but with 211 im shocked. I had step 1 score of 230 with CS pass and I had so many plans and now dont know what to do. :-(. this score I got is really impossible for me to believe. even exam qs were easy and felt like uworld. My last block had only 30 qs which is the only thing I felt weird on exam day. :-(
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hello everyone,

like mmost of u went thru. i too gave my exam but i little latter than u.

and like above mentioned comments i too thing most of my questions were more about prevention of a disease or complication.

i got some really weird questions and made some really easy mistakes (atleast 10) as far as i remembered since my exam.

now im really afraid cant carry on with my routine. i keep on calculating the percent of questions i got correct on the exam.

people please those it make a difference if u have less questions on ur exam.

i had 6 blocks of 44mcq.
1 block of 42mcq.
last block of 28mcq.

does it make a difference. am i screwed. i trying for fm. need atleast 220.
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hello everyone,

like mmost of u went thru. i too gave my exam but i little latter than u.

and like above mentioned comments i too thing most of my questions were more about prevention of a disease or complication.

i got some really weird questions and made some really easy mistakes (atleast 10) as far as i remembered since my exam.

now im really afraid cant carry on with my routine. i keep on calculating the percent of questions i got correct on the exam.

people please those it make a difference if u have less questions on ur exam.

i had 6 blocks of 44mcq.
1 block of 42mcq.
last block of 28mcq.

does it make a difference. am i screwed. i trying for fm. need atleast 220.
can you believe my last block was 24 questions lolx.. but really hard one ... for eg they give hyporeflexia and peripheral neuropathy in pt of anorexia nervosa and i was stuck between hypomagnesemia and thiamine deficiency .. and i choosed thaimine deficiency ( diagnosis was dry beri beri ) so questions were vague long and tough ..
i made 15 confirmed mistakes also and rest of stuff i marked 15-18 questions every block ...

its hard to wait for results.. everything is stopped till that day .
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can you believe my last block was 24 questions lolx.. but really hard one ... for eg they give hyporeflexia and peripheral neuropathy in pt of anorexia nervosa and i was stuck between hypomagnesemia and thiamine deficiency .. and i choosed thaimine deficiency ( diagnosis was dry beri beri ) so questions were vague long and tough ..
i made 15 confirmed mistakes also and rest of stuff i marked 15-18 questions every block ...



its hard to wait for results.. everything is stopped till that day .

Same here.. i keep on calculating my score. Hope that i pass.. i got a reseach question which was 2 pages long and a collective of 3 question.

Cant go ahead . Thinking of things wat to do after usmle.. nothing fing comes to my mind...

Soo frustrating... why does usmle so weird question when every1 knows we wont diagnose with just symtoms n without labs...

Ohh god..

Now it feels better
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Same here.. i keep on calculating my score. Hope that i pass.. i got a reseach question which was 2 pages long and a collective of 3 question.

Cant go ahead . Thinking of things wat to do after usmle.. nothing fing comes to my mind...

Soo frustrating... why does usmle so weird question when every1 knows we wont diagnose with just symtoms n without labs...

Ohh god..

Now it feels better
how many questions u were not sure in every block ? did u feel that u lost the battle while doing exam ? :P only GOD know now how it will end ..
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Nop.. while solving d exam.. i was felling ok.. but atleast 10 question in each block i marked.
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Nop.. while solving d exam.. i was felling ok.. but atleast 10 question in each block i marked.
good : what u think results are in 3 weeks? i have seen some people are recieveing in 3 weeks and some in 4 weeks?
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I have already got nervous loose motions. I dont know.
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I have already got nervous loose motions. I dont know.
lol .. i was thinking of taking MRCP or plab too .. but postpone it coz of result .... i feel worried about the silly 10-15 mistakes which i made in exam .. i do feel about it everyday ....
hope i get result on 14th ...
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Yup me too. Mrcp or residency in dubai or germany.

14th of this month result.. ****...
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Yup me too. Mrcp or residency in dubai or germany.

14th of this month result.. ****...
what about germany ? what they want ? ck or what ?
and what about dubai ? will u take DHA or HAAD exam?

i willl join IELTs classes from monday so to kill my time and watching sherlock everyday lolx
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plab rules are changing, i hope u know them if not i advice u take a look before planning for plab.

germany doesnt require nor usmle niether plab they just require language and some observership in germany before you apply for residency.

only problem in germany is that i dont want to learn another language.
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Let's take a step back and breathe. This is also happening to Step 3, it is normal. After all the information got out about the test, the scores started getting higher and higher. They do this to keep the scores under control. What makes it fair is that it's the same for everyone, which means that everyone's scores will be affected and residencies will adjust their expectations accordingly. The test legally can be anything they put on their pamphlet asked in any way they desire. Uworld gives us a false sense of security because it creates a palette of knowledge for those specific questions. Once you start seeing things in a very different manner on the actual exam all bets are off. This is part of the process, they are not going to change it for us.
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Let's take a step back and breathe. This is also happening to Step 3, it is normal. After all the information got out about the test, the scores started getting higher and higher. They do this to keep the scores under control. What makes it fair is that it's the same for everyone, which means that everyone's scores will be affected and residencies will adjust their expectations accordingly. The test legally can be anything they put on their pamphlet asked in any way they desire. Uworld gives us a false sense of security because it creates a palette of knowledge for those specific questions. Once you start seeing things in a very different manner on the actual exam all bets are off. This is part of the process, they are not going to change it for us.
exactly true : thats why i dont rely on uworld .. u know what i have seen alot of questions from medessential notes step 2 ck 2015 . which is mostly used by MCCQE1 exam ..
i have seen some questions from past test MRCP or O/E MRCP Qbank ....

so nothing is 100% for CK ( no Qbank and no book can prepare you 100%)
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No matter what logic people put up here for people getting low scores, I know I did my exam well enough to surpass a score of atleast 230. The main reason being of my NBME scores, UWSA score and on the exam day performance which was similar or I should say better than any of my NBME's. Atleast my exam felt just like most NBME's and like Uworld. Never felt like a new pool of qs. We always trust this usmle system and hence put so much effort. I never believed in luck especially in usmle scores. but now with this horrible personal experience, I have to start believing in fate. NO system is Perfect and atleast I know I was the unluckly one here. Have given my score for recheck with no hopes on that too based on past experiences of others.
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One of the main issues is that we don't know exactly how the test is graded. Also the way the questions are stated you might think you are getting them right, or doing well enough but there's an alternative logic to the one you are thinking and a detail that no review source has caught up to. They tell you the subjects on their pamphlet but they don't exactly how the questions are going to be asked. I fully expect the next published NBME to reveal some major changes. You were just caught in a transition period. The test changes. Check out the first couple NBMEs for Step 1, they were easy and direct compared to the latest ones. Unfortunately their incentive is to make the test harder. If exception proves the rule, I'll tell you this much: I got the exact same grade as the last 2 NBMEs I did.
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If anybody gets the recheck results please let us know.Though we dont have much hope but lets see.Did ecfmg said anything about the fax that we sent?
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Anybody looking for study partner for step 2 ck in one month?
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I am in!!!
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alhamdulillah got step 2ck result : 230
recent exam was very very tough ..
will share all my experience soon ..
thanks to my private tutor
i dont know whether its good score or no .. but m very happy n thanks to ALLAH..

my nbme 4 was 245
nbme 7 was 223

(nbme 6 3 months back was 215 )
nbme 4 in last november was 189

so bottomline i improved from 189 to 245 in nbme and then real exam 230
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how many chances of getting if i have only step 2 ck score report in hand .. whats the chances of getting cs visa : or should i do the step 1 first before applying ...
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Hello

I got 201 in ck. it was very unexpected
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I got 201 in ck. it was very unexpected
what was your nbme/UWSA? online offline?
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With a 192 in step 1, do you think I have even 1% chance of matching in IM?
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I sent a fax to Ecfmg raising my complaint on recent step 2 ck scores. If anyone else feels that something is wrong with scoring, please fax them with your complaint
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plab rules are changing, i hope u know them if not i advice u take a look before planning for plab.

germany doesnt require nor usmle niether plab they just require language and some observership in germany before you apply for residency.

only problem in germany is that i dont want to learn another language.
where can I find the new changes in PLAB?
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you can find the canged plab rules on plab website or gmc website.
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alhamdulillah got step 2ck result : 230
recent exam was very very tough ..
will share all my experience soon ..
thanks to my private tutor
i dont know whether its good score or no .. but m very happy n thanks to ALLAH..

my nbme 4 was 245
nbme 7 was 223

(nbme 6 3 months back was 215 )
nbme 4 in last november was 189

so bottomline i improved from 189 to 245 in nbme and then real exam 230


congratulations tafseer90. nicely done.
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Thanks everyone ! To me ! The thing which helped me is medQuest video lectures and MCQ more n more like i did kap Qbank uworld kap Qbook
The more mcq the different styles of questions
You will learn more from mcq rather than from books !
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Hey guys, I got the results today. I scored 230. I don't know what to say about it but noticing the recent trend on dip in scores I was worried. My NBME 4 score before 3 days is 233, UWSA 228 1 month before the test. Please feel free to ask any questions.
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Hey guys, I got the results today. I scored 230. I don't know what to say about it but noticing the recent trend on dip in scores I was worried. My NBME 4 score before 3 days is 233, UWSA 228 1 month before the test. Please feel free to ask any questions.
congrats dear : u r done with step 1 ?
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Hey guys, I got the results today. I scored 230. I don't know what to say about it but noticing the recent trend on dip in scores I was worried. My NBME 4 score before 3 days is 233, UWSA 228 1 month before the test. Please feel free to ask any questions.
congrats man!. scores are supposed to come out like this!.
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yes i gave step 1
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I wrote my score here because I was following this thread for past 2 weeks as the recent trend has changed. So, my experience and score will help someone to assess or help with their study. Maybe not a great score but my experience might help.

Time period: 6 months
UW twice
MTB was too vague , gave a read and then opened it now and then. Most of mY UW notes was written on the MTB itself but unfortunately did not get time to review in the end. Also, I did not feel MTB was so helpful but then its my opinion. There are many who felt it was useful. My study material was UW UW UW.
Assessment tests: NBME 3 offline- 210-215
NBME 6-184 I did not read enough and did not finish my UW reviision
UWSA-228
NBME 7-204 15 days before the exam I was shocked and depressed
NBME 4- 235 3 days before the test. I wish I had a week time to review my weak points.
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yes i gave step 1
whats ur step 1 score? if u dont mind .. i was just thinking that step 1 is tough after ck or easy .. i prepared for step 1 ( 2 years back but didnt gave exam coz that time my nbme was low 210 and i was busy in medschool )
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Got the score recheck letter.No change at all.Any experience of changed scores?
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even I got my score today. failed with 190.. low scoring in psy and behavioral science.

feeling numb thinking of reating the exam next year jan or feb.

any suggestions.
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even I got my score today. failed with 190.. low scoring in psy and behavioral science.

feeling numb thinking of reating the exam next year jan or feb.

any suggestions.
How much did you get on UWSA and NBME ?
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