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in these forums you will find all sorts of recommendations on whats high yield and what should be studied... but why not discuss what shouldnt be studied. that might actually help people score higher. for step 2ck i studied a ridiculous amount and got a score i was happy with, but i definitely could have managed it if i studied only the best material. does anyone have recommendations or suggestions to help our fellow peers study less?

if you could go back and cut out material from your busy study schedule... what would you have skipped? what material did you think would help you, but inevitably didnt?
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ok, ill attempt to get this going...

usmle consult should NOT waste you time under any circumstances. the yield is astonishingly low, and quality is atrocious.
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tell us more about what we should not read , and what should be low on priority . please that will of great help
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well, the thing is that i've been making such posts relatively often... and i would like to see other peoples opinions before i post them here.
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this is good. bump!
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Do basics MTB Uworld
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this thread is about what NOT to study. so anything that didnt help you on the exam should be listed here.
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so, did anyone pass their exams and realize that they over-studied? perhaps something you read wasn't helpful in the end?
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do not bother with First Aid for USMLE in my opinion. stuff is all over the place and the focus is so different from the higher yield materials like uworld
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do not bother with First Aid for USMLE in my opinion. stuff is all over the place and the focus is so different from the higher yield materials like uworld
i definitely agree with this
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any subjects to not study guys?
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any subjects to not study guys?
i dont know if there are any subjects that you can completely skip.... this thread is aimed at study resources that have proved to be unhelpful. after all, reading an entire book or doing a whole qbank only to later discover that it was a waste of time is worse than studying a subject that isnt very prominent on the exam.

so far, only one book was listed in this thread. i have many suggestions, but i think its unfair for me to list them since i started this thread.

considered waste of time for step 2ck
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With all due respect Kruno, I don't agree that FA CK is trash. Its actually incredibly HY but one must have the background knowledge to fully comprehend and optimize the book ie a solid step 1 base. The latest/9th edition is what im talking about, it has numerous updates from previous edition and its recommendations and screenings are accurate which was an issue in prior editions. I didn't use it personally which I regret but a good friend of mine used it alongside uworld and scored a 260 recently. I am essentially speaking on his behalf from what he told me. His step 1 was solid.
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best resource is still Uworld AFAIK.
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With all due respect Kruno, I don't agree that FA CK is trash. Its actually incredibly HY but one must have the background knowledge to fully comprehend and optimize the book ie a solid step 1 base. The latest/9th edition is what im talking about, it has numerous updates from previous edition and its recommendations and screenings are accurate which was an issue in prior editions. I didn't use it personally which I regret but a good friend of mine used it alongside uworld and scored a 260 recently. I am essentially speaking on his behalf from what he told me. His step 1 was solid.
X2 i picked it up a month ago , wish i could take back time lost reading other resources ... 1st aid is by far they best comprehensive text book out right now, reading that book made me realize how superficial MTB was .
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With all due respect Kruno, I don't agree that FA CK is trash. Its actually incredibly HY but one must have the background knowledge to fully comprehend and optimize the book ie a solid step 1 base. The latest/9th edition is what im talking about, it has numerous updates from previous edition and its recommendations and screenings are accurate which was an issue in prior editions. I didn't use it personally which I regret but a good friend of mine used it alongside uworld and scored a 260 recently. I am essentially speaking on his behalf from what he told me. His step 1 was solid.
i respect your opinion... and i think then that we should change the format of this thread. instead of just a list, we could add votes for and against.

however, i should add that is only really fair if someone spent a decent amount of time studying a particular book. because although you may be sold at first glance, after several hours or days you may realize that it actually lacks sufficient depth. from my experience, i only consider something high yield if it takes an important topic and it explains thoroughly enough so that you can pretty much answer any question relating to it. a list of the most important facts is not enough for me.
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X2 i picked it up a month ago , wish i could take back time lost reading other resources ... 1st aid is by far they best comprehensive text book out right now, reading that book made me realize how superficial MTB was .
i agree about mtb. looking at the above posts, ill add mtb and usmle consult to the list.

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I don't yet have a CK score to backup anything I say. I think this thread is a great idea. Kruno is hands down one of the most altruistic members of these usmle forums. Regarding this thread, to be more reliable we'll need more recent test takers who utilitized the latest edition of FA and not those who used 8th edition or earlier ones. FA is the one book that makes significant changes every year and consequently stays current vs MTB which is just behind.. literally i could write some sections like cardio better than dr fischer and other coauthors
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I agree with the above post. 9th edition of FA for ck is very well organized compared to MTB. But I only used it for cardiology a couple of weeks before the exam as I was scoring badly in IM cardiology section in UW and MTB really did not help very much. It has more details than MTB but less than step up to medicine. Answered all the ECG questions with confidence after reviewing that section. I am not sure how the book would affect the score compared to MTB though as its not really that popular but it has the facts and its more comprehensive than mtb any day.
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The Derm , ID , GYN , OB and peds sections is what i've read so far.. those sections alone are more complete than both MTB2 and MTB3 summed up together .The book covers a lot of the main points that are covered in UWorld and also briefly mentions some of the main points from step 1.
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I agree with the above post. 9th edition of FA for ck is very well organized compared to MTB. But I only used it for cardiology a couple of weeks before the exam as I was scoring badly in IM cardiology section in UW and MTB really did not help very much. It has more details than MTB but less than step up to medicine. Answered all the ECG questions with confidence after reviewing that section. I am not sure how the book would affect the score compared to MTB though as its not really that popular but it has the facts and its more comprehensive than mtb any day.
it seems that FA has made vast improvements... i will add your vote in favour of it. you dont appeared to be too satisfied with MTB, would you argue that it should be skipped (e.g., replaced with FA or another book)?
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  1. MTB 2 and 3 (2 yes, 1 no)
  2. Usmle Consult (1 yes)

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  1. First Aid for USMLE Step 2CK (2 yes, 4 no)


*first aid for step 2ck seems to have been making strides. readers of the new edition have stated that many improvements have been made and important details have been added.


Are there any other sources that you would like to add to the list?
Would anyone like to vote for or against any of the resources listed thus far?
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kruno, i guess you should think of it this way.
Uworld is definitely the core revision tool for CK.

Apart from uworld there are a bunch of review books available that we can use either us a last minute revision or to help us get an idea of the scope of the exam. Some of the highly mentioned review books out there include:

First Aid for the USMLE Step 2 CK
MTB Step 2
MTB Step 3
USMLE Step 2 Secrets
Step-Up to USMLE Step 2 CK
Kaplan Books.

I think the choice of either of those books are fine; depends on personal preference and style. Some people like point form, some people like paragraphs, some like Q&A. just dont use all of it because it isnt high yield to read through all those books (I've read all of those and I can tell you there is no point ).

The key to use the books effectively would be to use it along with UWorld, supplementing and annotating as you do the questions. Then right before test day when you need a good review, you'd have your nice book with all the stuff you learnt from uworld.
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Well put. Each book has its own advantages and disadvantages. MTB is okay if you have had a gap between the two steps or a gap since graduation, as it more superficial and easy to get through quickly stressing on only high yield points. FA for Ck and Step up are probably better for people who are looking for something more comprehensive. Secrets is great for those who love q and a format as it is very concrete and precise. Personally though, I am not a fan of MTB. Wish I had read secrets for 8-10 days rather than spending that time reading almost nothing new in MTB.
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I think the choice of either of those books are fine; depends on personal preference and style. Some people like point form, some people like paragraphs, some like Q&A. just dont use all of it because it isnt high yield to read through all those books (I've read all of those and I can tell you there is no point ).

The key to use the books effectively would be to use it along with UWorld, supplementing and annotating as you do the questions. Then right before test day when you need a good review, you'd have your nice book with all the stuff you learnt from uworld.
that does sound nice, but not every resource is worth a student's time. the reason i started this thread is because from my experience, several different sources did not contribute to my score... or even supplant my medical understanding in any significant way. in this forum i have read several comments from ppl saying that mtb, although highly touted, was something they actually should have skipped. so with this thread i am hoping to clear up some of the confusion.... did a specific book or qbank actually help? or would you have been better off skipping it?

after all, students often have a limited amount of time to study and sparing them the belief that they should read this or that can be just what they need to hear.
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Personally though, I am not a fan of MTB. Wish I had read secrets for 8-10 days rather than spending that time reading almost nothing new in MTB.
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