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Hi guys,

Took my exam a few days ago, and i'll try to keep this short and sweet.

Studying Sources:
1. KLN (Useless)
2. MTB-CK and MTB-3
3. UW

I would suggest skipping over KLN (including the videos), because its useless imo.

MTB 2/3: Know this inside out like FA for Step 1.

UW: Step 2 CK prep can't be complete without this!

Studying Method:

I did KLN+Videos initially (took me a few months), and then started MTB/UW. I would say skip KLN completely and just start w/ MTB 2/3 & UW.

See Post: Suggestions for Last Week of Studying

UW:

Just like Step 1, this resource is gold. It covers key concepts, and gives you a base to see how the case presents in questions.

My overall average was 61% timed,random, first time.

Assessment Exams:

UWSA 218 (1 week before exam)

The Exam:

My blocks were:
3x 45 Q's
4x 44 Q's
1x 43 Q's

I had 3 drug ads, 2 of which were ridiculously easy (ex. shows an AD of a Beta Blocker, and then asks what the mechanism of action of the drug is and it literally had an option of "b-blocker" lol), the 3rd one was really tough, and so I didn't really waste time on it.

5 basic biostat questions: I mean really basic like sensitivity/specificity/PPV/NPV/NNT.

Majority of my exam I'd say was IM (70%), then Ob Gyn, then Peds then rest. Also psych wasn't all that vague as others have suggested.

Question Length:

Honestly, I was expecting it to be ridiculously long. UW Q's were the average size I'd say. Its just that what I think freaks people out is the actual exam the font size is bigger and it might seem like the Q's are longer.

This was evidenced by me finishing each block with an average of 5-10 min remaining.

Marked Q's:

I averaged around 10 marked questions (mixed w/ WTF? questions).

Breaks:

First 3 or so blocks, I took 5 min.
4-7th Block: 5-10 min
7+: Took about 20 min.

FAQ:

What did I eat/drink?
Diet consisted mainly of Redbull and Gatorade (about 3L worth).

Where did I take the exam?
Highly irrelevant, but I'll narrow it down for you: North America. Eastern Time zone.

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Hell Yeah.

Any other questions/comments you guys might have.. please post away!
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hey was the material of the exam from UW or was it outside UW ??? I have read many post saying the Qs are very vague comparing to UW , very few hints ??? was it so or was the material from uw just asked in a different manner ???

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I would say the q's are simliar to UW. Infact I had a few q's that resembled UW q's too.
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Glad someone else suggests skipping KLN! I'm so happy I didnt spend time on it. I'm sure you did really well.
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Glad someone else suggests skipping KLN! I'm so happy I didnt spend time on it. I'm sure you did really well.
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Thanks for posting your experience ,we were wiaitng for it .

you mention some time ago your cummulative was 55% in uworld then in the end it reached 61% .I mean should i expect to see an increase in uworld cummulative as I move along in uworld .i have finished 34% till now and averaging 60% in timed mixed .

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Thanks for sharing your experience with us .
May I ask you . How many times did you read MTB2/3 ? and How many times did you do UW ?

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Thanks for sharing it. Did you have many EKGs, murmurs, CTs? Was your exam tougher than UWSA?
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I wish you best of luck for your actual score!

My CK is scheduled for 28th.

I am done with Uworld, wrong/marked Qs, UWSA

I am going over MTB now and I wish I had done it earlier...

I am planning to NBME 4...

My Q; how different did you find NBME 4 from UWSA form? in terms of length of vignettes, difficulty level, representative of actual exam and score projection?
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hello patel...many congratulations on completion of CK

can i skip KLN notes and videos if i aim for a higher score(>250) in CK..??? would MTB2/3 with uworld be sufficient to achieve my target and i do have a strong base in basic sciences considering i recently gave my step 1....

would be grateful to hear form you....
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how would u say the difficulty is? comparable to U world?
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I was just thinking, why dont I just type into this so that I can keep the format:-)
Got my exam results a few days agoStudying Sources:
1. KLN : optional
2. MTB 2/3 : If not thorough with jkaplan. Nothing new, just concise.
3. UW



UW: Step 2 CK prep can't be complete without this!

Studying Method:

I did KLN initially (1 month), and then started MTB/UW. I would say skip KLN completely and just start w/ MTB 2/3 & UW.

See Post: Suggestions for Last Week of Studying

UW:

My overall average was 71% timed,random, first time.

Assessment Exams:

UWSA 257 (1 week before exam)
NBME 2: 245
NBME 4: 251
The Exam:

Score: 257
I had 3 drug ads, 2:vague,the 3rd one was easy.
Most questions seemed vague and difficult. There were atleast 10 Qs per block that I was confused about.

Question Length:

It was ridiculously long. .

Marked Q's:

I averaged around 10 marked questions
Breaks:

First 3 or so blocks, I took 5 min.
4-7th Block: 5-10 min
7+: Took about 30 min.

FAQ:

What did I eat/drink?
water, snickers
Where did I take the exam?
Highly irrelevant, but I'll narrow it down for you: North America
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Hi guys, I will add my exam experience in patel's format...

Took my exam a couple of days ago, and i'll try to keep this short and sweet.

Studying Sources:
1. KLN ( if you are taking ck before step 1)
2. MTB 2/3 ( kaplan notes compact form)
3. UW ( must)

I would suggest skipping over KLN (including the videos), because its useless if you have taken step 1 recently.

MTB 2/3: Know this inside out like FA for Step 1.

UW: Step 2 CK prep can't be complete without this!

Studying Method:

I did KLN+Videos initially (took me a few months), and then started MTB/UW. I would say skip KLN completely and just start w/ MTB 2/3 & UW.



UW:

Just like Step 1, this resource is gold. It covers key concepts, and gives you a base to see how the case presents in questions.

My overall average was 76% subjectwise, tutor mode first time.
2nd random timed 86%

Assessment Exams:

UWSA 254(2 week before exam)

The Exam:

My blocks were:
4x 45 Q's
3x 44 Q's
1x 43 Q's

I had 3 drug ads, 2 of which were ridiculously easy (ex. shows an AD of a Beta Blocker, and then asks what the mechanism of action of the drug is and it literally had an option of "b-blocker" lol), the 3rd one was really tough, and so I didn't really waste time on it.

5 basic biostat questions: I mean really basic like sensitivity/specificity/PPV/NPV/NNT.

Majority of my exam I'd say was IM (60%), then Ob Gyn, then Peds then rest. Also psych wasn't all that vague as others have suggested.

Question Length:

50% questions like uw length and 50% a little longer( like step 3 questions).


Marked Q's:

didn't mark any.

Breaks:

First 4 or so blocks, I took 5-6 min.
5-8th Block: 10-12 min.

FAQ:

What did I eat/drink?
had a lots of snacks like going on picnic. mainly keep your glucose level up..

Where did I take the exam?
Highly irrelevant, but I'll narrow it down for you: North America.

Conclusion
more than 90% concepts from MTB's and UW.
good luck.
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Hi guys, I will add my exam experience in patel's format....

Conclusion
more than 90% concepts from MTB's and UW.
good luck.
thanks for the post !

did you take any NBME or UwSA ??? how were they compared to exam difficulty ??
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Did u do kaplan q-bank? Are questions on actual exam close to it?
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Did u do kaplan q-bank? Are questions on actual exam close to it?
I df the simulated test. 8 blocks. Doesn't give you a score just a percentage. And the questions are kinda wierd... It didn't help me. If you have time, more the qs, the better:-)
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Can you tell how many questions you got right in nbme and UWSA?
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Can you tell how many questions you got right in nbme and UWSA?
I don't remember but I've posted the scores. 245 251 257 257
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Hi guys, I will add my exam experience in patel's format...

Took my exam a couple of days ago, and i'll try to keep this short and sweet.

Studying Sources:
1. KLN ( if you are taking ck before step 1)
2. MTB 2/3 ( kaplan notes compact form)
3. UW ( must)

I would suggest skipping over KLN (including the videos), because its useless if you have taken step 1 recently.

MTB 2/3: Know this inside out like FA for Step 1.

UW: Step 2 CK prep can't be complete without this!

Studying Method:

I did KLN+Videos initially (took me a few months), and then started MTB/UW. I would say skip KLN completely and just start w/ MTB 2/3 & UW.



UW:

Just like Step 1, this resource is gold. It covers key concepts, and gives you a base to see how the case presents in questions.

My overall average was 79% random timed mode first time.

The Exam:

My blocks were:
45s 44s 43

I had 3 drug ads, 2 of which were ridiculously easy (ex. shows an AD of a Beta Blocker, and then asks what the mechanism of action of the drug is and it literally had an option of "b-blocker" lol), the 3rd one was really tough, and so I didn't really waste time on it.

5 basic biostat questions: I mean really basic like sensitivity/specificity/PPV/NPV/NNT.

Majority of my exam I'd say was IM (60%), then Ob Gyn, then Peds then rest. Also psych wasn't all that vague as others have suggested.

Question Length:

70% questions like uw length and 30% a little longer( like step 3 questions).


Marked Q's:

Almost 10-20(though i doubted every question)futile.

Breaks:

First 4 or so blocks, I took 5-6 min.
5-8th Block: 10-12 min.

FAQ:

What did I eat/drink?
had a lots of snacks like going on picnic. mainly keep your glucose level up..

Where did I take the exam?
Highly irrelevant.

Conclusion
more than 90% concepts from MTB's and UW.totally doable but i messed it.
good luck.
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Hi guys, I will add my exam experience in patel's format...

Took my exam a couple of days ago, and i'll try to keep this short and sweet.

Studying Sources:
1. KLN ( if you are taking ck before step 1)
2. MTB 2/3 ( kaplan notes compact form)
3. UW ( must)

I would suggest skipping over KLN (including the videos), because its useless if you have taken step 1 recently.

MTB 2/3: Know this inside out like FA for Step 1.

UW: Step 2 CK prep can't be complete without this!

Studying Method:

I did KLN+Videos initially (took me a few months), and then started MTB/UW. I would say skip KLN completely and just start w/ MTB 2/3 & UW.



UW:

Just like Step 1, this resource is gold. It covers key concepts, and gives you a base to see how the case presents in questions.

My overall average was 79% random timed mode first time.

The Exam:

My blocks were:
45s 44s 43

I had 3 drug ads, 2 of which were ridiculously easy (ex. shows an AD of a Beta Blocker, and then asks what the mechanism of action of the drug is and it literally had an option of "b-blocker" lol), the 3rd one was really tough, and so I didn't really waste time on it.

5 basic biostat questions: I mean really basic like sensitivity/specificity/PPV/NPV/NNT.

Majority of my exam I'd say was IM (60%), then Ob Gyn, then Peds then rest. Also psych wasn't all that vague as others have suggested.

Question Length:

70% questions like uw length and 30% a little longer( like step 3 questions).


Marked Q's:

Almost 10-20(though i doubted every question)futile.

Breaks:

First 4 or so blocks, I took 5-6 min.
5-8th Block: 10-12 min.

FAQ:

What did I eat/drink?
had a lots of snacks like going on picnic. mainly keep your glucose level up..

Where did I take the exam?
Highly irrelevant.

Conclusion
more than 90% concepts from MTB's and UW.totally doable but i messed it.
good luck.
Wow Patels format going viral on the forums ........ I almost scrolled up and down after each line wondering if i was reading the same post or was it a new post ... ....... gives us hard time to notice subtle changes ........

dont worry you must have done great UW % 79 .... what do you guys eat ??? whats the secret ingredient ???
i might have to do UW thrice before i reach 80 %.......

anyways buddy you will do great just relax ........
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@ Hitman ...well said

I feel his thread has lost track with so many people posting their experience in his format ,i wish site admin could help .
his thread has been hijacked
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i dont see why we cant post it back when everyone has similar experience.i guess everyone needs to post something differenteven though they have nothing more to say
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i dont see why we cant post it back when everyone has similar experience.i guess everyone needs to post something differenteven though they have nothing more to say
hey no problem , you dont need to write something special or different . i was just a little confused regarding whose post i was reading and step enhancer was just kidding.......

thanks for your post we are glad that you all had similar experiences makes it more assuring that we are following the right guidance .......

hey did you give any nbme or uwsa ......which one was the real deal similar too ???

thanks ..... stay cool buddy .....

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i dont see why we cant post it back when everyone has similar experience.i guess everyone needs to post something differenteven though they have nothing more to say
Yes I agree with you thanks for sharing good luck for your score ,keep us posted
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yeah was kidding lol.dont worry the exam is very much similar to nbme 4.there are a few very long questions but they are just a few of thm.and everyone having the same feeling is good sign.
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thanx for sharing ur exp sonu.agarwall. im glad to kno it was all uw and mtb.cant wait to nail it downnxt week. Inshallah

and plz a lil request, use patels format, but start a newthread to share ur exp, this threads v confusiingg already! lol
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sure will post my complete prep post results.good luck be confident
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Adding my experience

Studying Sources:
1. UW
2. UpToDate.com
3. Step Up


Studying Method:

Studied for 2 months.

Did UW questions and used book and internet as resources then used Up To Date to read up on areas that I felt weak in. I cannot tell you how helpful Up To Date is for this exam. I would print out the "Summary" section of various diseases and all the high-yield, clinically relevant points would be included.... such as "get a Chest CT in patients diagnosed with osteosarcoma." Several questions like that I distinctly remember from reading it from Up To Date.



UW:

Do it. Hand write your notes. Re-do the marked questions and incorrect questions.

Assessment Exams:

NBME 1 233 (2 week before exam)
NBME 3 231 (2 week before exam)
NBME 2 245 (1 week before exam)
NBME 4 258 (1 week before exam)
UWSA 253 (1 week before exam)


The Exam:

don't remember exactly how many but it was roughly b/w 42-45 q's per block. I had 3 advertisement questions. easy. just don't freak out when you open the Ad and see a bunch of stuff. Develop a structure to read these Ads in a patterned way and you'll be more efficient on the exam. It's also annoying because you can't move the Ad to the side and read the question with the advertisement also in view. So I had to keep closing it and reopening it.. which I'm sure ate away at my time.

My exam IM > PEDS > PREVENTATIVE > PSYCH > OB > the rest

A few things that appeared to be heavy hitters were congenital heart disease (had 2 questions where you had to listen to the murmur in a child... although the answer I thought was obvious from the stem of the Q.)

Preventative medicine was huge. I had at least 3 questions in each section (~25 Q total probably, so it adds up). Know your screening guidelines cold.

Biostats was a joke. Just simple equations. They usually give you the 2x2 table set up, just make sure it is oriented correctly, because they switched it up on me a couple of times (which was just annoying).

Had a few tricky/random questions, like the prognosis of epidermolysis bullosa (WTF!). How to you treat a strawberry hemangioma in a child if it's located 1cm from the eye. Difference of anterior versus posterior blepharitis (no clue.) Type of ovarian tumor that would cause intraperitoneal accumulation of heavily glycosylated protein material. Pap smear workup in pregnant women. Contraindications of new zoster vaccine. These are all that I remember being completely confused about. But these were a minority. Overall, UW covers most everything you need. Just get used to clicking and moving on questions like these and save your time and energy for questions you know the answer to.



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Absurdly and annoying long. I even used the technique of reading 1st and last sentence but only ONE time was I able to skip the vignette. Additionally, they store important clues in the vignette. You may miss it if you don't read everything.

I had a whole bunch of questions that had 2 seemingly correct answers. The test writers really like to make the answer choices tricky. I found the test extremely tough to get through in the given time, and part of it is the long question stems, but the other part is the time you spend trying to interpret the answers. It's quite frustrating.




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I did the 1st 2 sets pretty much in a row (just took a 5min break at my computer). Then I took between 5-10 minute break between every other section just to get up and walk around outside.
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What did I eat/drink?
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IMO, KLNs of Internal Medicine and GYNE/OBS are essential for step2 and so are their respective videos, unless u don't have a lot of time and a score of less than 240 is OK for u (which isn't for IMGs).
You don't need the 'videos' to get 240 if you are a fresh grad. If depends on you. How comfortable you are with the subject. I know loads of people wo didn't up through the videos to get 240. Or you can select topics that you need help wit. I needed cardiology so watched that.
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You don't need the 'videos' to get 240 if you are a fresh grad. If depends on you. How comfortable you are with the subject. I know loads of people wo didn't up through the videos to get 240. Or you can select topics that you need help wit. I needed cardiology so watched that.
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IMO, KLNs of Internal Medicine and GYNE/OBS are essential for step2 and so are their respective videos, unless u don't have a lot of time and a score of less than 240 is OK for u (which isn't for IMGs).
I disagree, I know many who didnt touch it and got a 240 < X.
Plus yes high scores matter, but you cant say a score less than 240 isnt OK for IMGs, for one not all IMGs are equal. You dont know what US electives, US research, other US degrees, US connections and other US extracurricular activities the person has. An application isnt about scores. A friend of mine had a 202 in step 1, IMG, multiple IVs, and matched into a university prog in IM, he just finished.
PDs really want a well rounded applicant at the end of the day. This is the reason why some are alarmed and post on here about their 240 and 250 on step 1 and CK, and wonder why the lack of "great" IVs. A great score alone isnt going to cut it...
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I disagree, I know many who didnt touch it and got a 240 < X.
Plus yes high scores matter, but you cant say a score less than 240 isnt OK for IMGs, for one not all IMGs are equal. You dont know what US electives, US research, other US degrees, US connections and other US extracurricular activities the person has. An application isnt about scores. A friend of mine had a 202 in step 1, IMG, multiple IVs, and matched into a university prog in IM, he just finished.
PDs really want a well rounded applicant at the end of the day. This is the reason why some are alarmed and post on here about their 240 and 250 on step 1 and CK, and wonder why the lack of "great" IVs. A great score alone isnt going to cut it...

Can't disagree with that either, but these are exceptions. Yes PDs look at the entire application, but AFTER they have used the filter to automatically remove the applications below a certain score. If u have contacts in the program, then u can have the application back into the game and an IV as well, but that's IF you have a contact there, and how many contacts can a person have? contacts do get u more interviews, but i wouldn't say A LOT of them..if ur scores are good, you'll get the interviews even without the contacts...m sure a friend of urs got many IVs with a low score, but if u look at the average number of interviews from the database of 2012 match, more then 95% of the times, a step1 score less then 240 had 3-5 interviews, 240+ had more than 10, and 250+ had around 15-20... of course other things like visa, and usce are also very essential, but priority wise, even conrad fischer mentions on his blog that nothing beats usmle scores, as they are the ONLY neutral criteria, other criteria are kind of redundant..

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I know people with 75/75 -- 79/79 on second attempt but carib grad who got matched, in fact I know 8 people.
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I know people with 75/75 -- 79/79 on second attempt but carib grad who got matched, in fact I know 8 people.

u know 8 ppl with such credentials who matched..and there will be 8000+ IMG with such credentials who didn't. Like i said b4, its not the exceptions we are talking about, its the majority of cases, the general picture. Also carib grads are not like the rest of IMGs, even with low scores, they have a minimum of 1-2 yrs of USCE no matter what...for other IMGs, this type of USCE would cost us a fortune ryte? also, people with such credentials can match in far away programs like alaska, far west, and the less populated areas, but there too, they will have competition as the number of IMGs are going up.
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Oh damn, this discussion is getting longer
No disrespect to any of you guys, i honestly respect all of your opinions. There is definitely more than one angle to look at this, so none of you is wrong.
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look at this angle,

everyone who reads this, and has gotten ECFMG certified will get matched.

that all. I DONT KNOW anyone from India, Pakistan, Iran, Poland, Russia, Mexico, Peru, Dominica who has gotten ECFMG and off course 3 LOR from a US physicians an HAS NOT gotten matched to what they always wanted.
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Can't disagree with that either, but these are exceptions. Yes PDs look at the entire application, but AFTER they have used the filter to automatically remove the applications below a certain score. If u have contacts in the program, then u can have the application back into the game and an IV as well, but that's IF you have a contact there, and how many contacts can a person have? contacts do get u more interviews, but i wouldn't say A LOT of them..if ur scores are good, you'll get the interviews even without the contacts...m sure a friend of urs got many IVs with a low score, but if u look at the average number of interviews from the database of 2012 match, more then 95% of the times, a step1 score less then 240 had 3-5 interviews, 240+ had more than 10, and 250+ had around 15-20... of course other things like visa, and usce are also very essential, but priority wise, even conrad fischer mentions on his blog that nothing beats usmle scores, as they are the ONLY neutral criteria, other criteria are kind of redundant..
A friend of mine with step 1 254 step 2 247 recent grad(<2 yrs) needed visa ,no usce, no US LORs got only 3 IVs .luckily he got matched god bless him.
Another friend with 230s in both steps needed visa with US LORs and USCE got 10+ IVs.

This proves its overall application that matters and there is no 240+ criteria.
the score filters are 210 + 220+ for step 1 for IM ,go to frieda and look it up.
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Can't disagree with that either, but these are exceptions. Yes PDs look at the entire application, but AFTER they have used the filter to automatically remove the applications below a certain score. If u have contacts in the program, then u can have the application back into the game and an IV as well, but that's IF you have a contact there, and how many contacts can a person have? contacts do get u more interviews, but i wouldn't say A LOT of them..if ur scores are good, you'll get the interviews even without the contacts...m sure a friend of urs got many IVs with a low score, but if u look at the average number of interviews from the database of 2012 match, more then 95% of the times, a step1 score less then 240 had 3-5 interviews, 240+ had more than 10, and 250+ had around 15-20... of course other things like visa, and usce are also very essential, but priority wise, even conrad fischer mentions on his blog that nothing beats usmle scores, as they are the ONLY neutral criteria, other criteria are kind of redundant..
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I'm not sure if the higher the score, the more IV's one gets is a linear relationship. We see many IMG's every year with stellar scores who do not get a single IV.

PD's want residents to be all rounded. Even when entering medical school in north america, they want students to be "all rounded". This includes things BESIDES the MCAT score such as Voluntary Work, Research, Personality, IV skills etc. vs. other schools not from this region of the world, that don't employ such criteria for admission (in other words rely only on exam scores).

If I were a PD, I would rather have a guy with average USMLE scores, but who isn't a gunner, who doesn't shun his coworkers, and is a team player. Exams scores don't reflect this, and that's where the X factor comes, because real life situations dont always come with 3-5 options, its all about subordination!

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I'm not sure if the higher the score, the more IV's one gets is a linear relationship. We see many IMG's every year with stellar scores who do not get a single IV.

PD's want residents to be all rounded. Even when entering medical school in north america, they want students to be "all rounded". This includes things BESIDES the MCAT score such as Voluntary Work, Research, Personality, IV skills etc. vs. other schools not from this region of the world, that don't employ such criteria for admission (in other words rely only on exam scores).

If I were a PD, I would rather have a guy with average USMLE scores, but who isn't a gunner, who doesn't shun his coworkers, and is a team player. Exams scores don't reflect this, and that's where the X factor comes, because real life situations dont always come with 3-5 options, its all about subordination!

I didn't realize my thread would keep going haha.


He he! You can thank me for that;-) (using your pattern) I think what's important that we do the best with what we can, apply to as many programs as we can afford to and not panic lLooking at someone else's credentials. Good scores may land you more interviews but a person with a well rounded app may finally get matched at a better institution. You never know. So the key is to stay calm:-)
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Hey patelmd ....I have finished my exam yesterday....the same beta blocker drug add was there and there was a abstract question...
Mixed experience don't know how was the exam.....question length was too long....
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Stupid distribution.....in the last block there was 15 min remaining but of no use while other blocks were just finished on time....missed a PPV calculation in 1st block last question....
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I'm not sure if the higher the score, the more IV's one gets is a linear relationship. We see many IMG's every year with stellar scores who do not get a single IV.

PD's want residents to be all rounded. Even when entering medical school in north america, they want students to be "all rounded". This includes things BESIDES the MCAT score such as Voluntary Work, Research, Personality, IV skills etc. vs. other schools not from this region of the world, that don't employ such criteria for admission (in other words rely only on exam scores).

If I were a PD, I would rather have a guy with average USMLE scores, but who isn't a gunner, who doesn't shun his coworkers, and is a team player. Exams scores don't reflect this, and that's where the X factor comes, because real life situations dont always come with 3-5 options, its all about subordination!

I didn't realize my thread would keep going haha.

Here is the source from NRMP itself..in every single specialty, check the graph of independent applicants (which includes the IMGs)...it looks pretty linear to me if u wanna skip to the internal medicine residency portion, check out page 106 of this pdf file
Now that data is not from 'a friend of mine', its from the biggest source any1 can use in this type of discussion..i like to speak based on facts that can actually be documented..i like neutral opinions..encouragement is essential, but it should never blurr the facts..
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Here is the source from NRMP itself..in every single specialty, check the graph of independent applicants (which includes the IMGs)...it looks pretty linear to me if u wanna skip to the internal medicine residency portion, check out page 106 of this pdf file
Now that data is not from 'a friend of mine', its from the biggest source any1 can use in this type of discussion..i like to speak based on facts that can actually be documented..i like neutral opinions..encouragement is essential, but it should never blurr the facts..
Hmm, looks okay, but I did want to point out to you:

If you look under the "Score Unknown" portion of the bar graph, in IM, you'll notice that 297/390 applicants, no score was reported. So the only Step 1 scores that had better "match outcomes" than the "unknown scores" were between 221-240.

Similarly, for CK there were more people to match with an "unknown score" than people with a 260.

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Here is the source from NRMP itself..in every single specialty, check the graph of independent applicants (which includes the IMGs)...it looks pretty linear to me if u wanna skip to the internal medicine residency portion, check out page 106 of this pdf file
Now that data is not from 'a friend of mine', its from the biggest source any1 can use in this type of discussion..i like to speak based on facts that can actually be documented..i like neutral opinions..encouragement is essential, but it should never blurr the facts..
Charting outcome shows less than 50% of Independent applicants (img) gets matched ,but it does not show which IMG had a complete rounded application and which had an incomplete one .So there is a bias there .
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Hmm, looks okay, but I did want to point out to you:

If you look under the "Score Unknown" portion of the bar graph, in IM, you'll notice that 297/390 applicants, no score was reported. So the only Step 1 scores that had better "match outcomes" than the "unknown scores" were between 221-240.

Similarly, for CK there were more people to match with an "unknown score" than people with a 260.

Scores are definitely not everything, bottom line.
Take the percentage not the absolute number of people. Looks like 2/3rd of people with 250+ do match. but you never know where you fall.
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Hmm, looks okay, but I did want to point out to you:

If you look under the "Score Unknown" portion of the bar graph, in IM, you'll notice that 297/390 applicants, no score was reported. So the only Step 1 scores that had better "match outcomes" than the "unknown scores" were between 221-240.

Similarly, for CK there were more people to match with an "unknown score" than people with a 260.

Scores are definitely not everything, bottom line.
First of all, u are on an entirely different page, i was talking about the linear relationship thing, thats on p-106, n u referring to 105.
Second, you are looking at the number of applicants instead of calculating their percentage. If u calculate the %age in each group, its

46% for 221-230 group (334 matched out of 721 total)
53% for 231-240 group (323 matched out of 610 total)
62% for the 241-250 group (210 matched out of 338 total)
69% for the 251-260 group (102 matched out of 147 total)
90% for the 260+ group (36 matched out of 40 total)

again clearly proving my point that there is a linear relation btwn score and match rate..u just proved my point, thanx and don't forget, statistics isn't about numbers, numbers don't tell you anything, its about %ages..its very obvious that in a normal distribution curve, majority of the score holders will be in the average group...but when you look at their % rate of matching, u see that its less than 50%...

and for the group with unknown scores, the match rate is 76%..it doesn't prove anything, as their SCORE ARE UNKNOWN, most likely because they didn't participate in the whole data collection process...based on the score-match relationship presented in those 2 pages, one can only assume that they are high scorers..as their match rate is more than the 250 group...if u can prove that those 'unknown score' group has a score of less than 240, then u'll clearly destroy the linear relationship demonstrated on that page, n i will agree with your opinion
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First of all, u are on an entirely different page, i was talking about the linear relationship thing, thats on p-106, n u referring to 105.
Second, you are looking at the number of applicants instead of calculating their percentage. If u calculate the %age in each group, its

46% for 221-230 group (334 matched out of 721 total)
53% for 231-240 group (323 matched out of 610 total)
62% for the 241-250 group (210 matched out of 338 total)
69% for the 251-260 group (102 matched out of 147 total)
90% for the 260+ group (36 matched out of 40 total)

again clearly proving my point that there is a linear relation btwn score and match rate..u just proved my point, thanx and don't forget, statistics isn't about numbers, numbers don't tell you anything, its about %ages..its very obvious that in a normal distribution curve, majority of the score holders will be in the average group...but when you look at their % rate of matching, u see that its less than 50%...

and for the group with unknown scores, the match rate is 76%..it doesn't prove anything, as their SCORE ARE UNKNOWN, most likely because they didn't participate in the whole data collection process...based on the score-match relationship presented in those 2 pages, one can only assume that they are high scorers..as their match rate is more than the 250 group...if u can prove that those 'unknown score' group has a score of less than 240, then u'll clearly destroy the linear relationship demonstrated on that page, n i will agree with your opinion
Assumptions are meaningless when you're trying to prove things with % as you suggested in the earlier part of your post.

If you're assuming, then, one of the possible assumptions can even be: they all had a 178 (passing score I think on Step 1?), and still matched OUTSIDE. Now, in terms of matching percentage, which turns out to be 76% as you suggested for the unknown group. I'd say based on an ASSUMPTION, a 76% match rate for a ASSUMED score of 178 is still amazing.

Bottom line, assumptions mean nothing. The unknown group could be simple outliers, which do account for a significant group of the people matched.

Also, I still believe that scores don't have any other meaning than getting IV's. After a guy who has a 200 gets an interview, along with another candidate who has a 260. Depending on the IV itself, either or could be ranked higher. But even the candidate who has a 260 doesn't guarantee him/her an interview. PD's look at what you've been doing as an apple to apple comparison. For ex: If a candidate takes a year of dedicated time studying, and gets a 260 on both Steps, I doubt it'll be of much meaning if it's considered w/ a candidate who's still in school with average scores. Because the former candidate, although performed better, required a constant/uninterrupted time to get the score, which wont be an option when it comes down to taking specialty boards.
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If you're assuming, then, one of the possible assumptions can even be: they all had a 178 (passing score I think on Step 1?), and still matched OUTSIDE. Now, in terms of matching percentage, which turns out to be 76% as you suggested for the unknown group. I'd say based on an ASSUMPTION, a 76% match rate for a ASSUMED score of 178 is still amazing.

Bottom line, assumptions mean nothing. The unknown group could be simple outliers, which do account for a significant group of the people matched.

Also, I still believe that scores don't have any other meaning than getting IV's. After a guy who has a 200 gets an interview, along with another candidate who has a 260. Depending on the IV itself, either or could be ranked higher. But even the candidate who has a 260 doesn't guarantee him/her an interview. PD's look at what you've been doing as an apple to apple comparison. For ex: If a candidate takes a year of dedicated time studying, and gets a 260 on both Steps, I doubt it'll be of much meaning if it's considered w/ a candidate who's still in school with average scores. Because the former candidate, although performed better, required a constant/uninterrupted time to get the score, which wont be an option when it comes down to taking specialty boards.

i agree, assumptions are meaningless, so we don't know the score of that group, we can ignore it, but we can't ignore the %ages of the score groups i mentioned..can we? they are speaking for themselves.
and yes, u r ryte, HIGHER SCORES GET MORE INTERVIEWS AND THAT'S IT, the rest depends on the remaining parts of application and the impression of the applicant...i totally agree with you on that.
and lets not divert from the topic, the probability of matching and its relationship with scores, PAGE 106 OF THE PDF, lets stick to that...the discussion got diverted because of some group whose score is unknown, i mean c'mon, u r gona base ur arguments on something that is unknown? and compare it with facts and actual %ages and data? Not very bright in bio-statistics are we? no offense, jk
i believe this discussion is over, cz i've presented my source..
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i agree, assumptions are meaningless, so we don't know the score of that group, we can ignore it, but we can't ignore the %ages of the score groups i mentioned..can we? they are speaking for themselves.
and yes, u r ryte, HIGHER SCORES GET MORE INTERVIEWS AND THAT'S IT, the rest depends on the remaining parts of application and the impression of the applicant...i totally agree with you on that.
Exactly!

But I think its definitely not important to have a specific score to get an interview for primary care. If you're going for radiology, and you have a 210, you probably wont get anything. But if you're within +/-1SD of average score range, for primary care, you could get an interview.
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But I think its definitely not important to have a specific score to get an interview for primary care. If you're going for radiology, and you have a 210, you probably wont get anything. But if you're within +/-1SD of average score range, for primary care, you could get an interview.

definitely, i agree, you are right.
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btw patelMD, whats your step1 score? if u don't mind me asking..
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wow this thread is getting interesting ...... Make it a Sticky ....

so basically the summary of the above discussion is : good scores help you get more IV : No doubts about it .......

USCE and LORs will be a big plus : yup true ....

so basically if you have good scores then USCE of few months will do and lesser scores will need more USCE , thats the moral of the story i guess ......

rather than the above discussions about nrmp and percentage , which i found more harder than UW of step 2 to understand .......

so lets score more and beat the crap out of residency match ........

goodluck guys , everyones gonna match .......
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gL to you for the match, m sure ur CK score will be even better, n hope that u match in the type of program you want..
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