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224!! Pass! Just that. Dont care about anything else. Congratz to everyone! Keep up the good fight!
YOu were so worried! so happy for you , you got right around your uwsa
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did you take any of your nbme's twice? and what was your last self assesment was it UWSA?
my last assessment was NBME 7. I did NBME 3 couple times. UWSA was closest to my results which i took a month before exam.
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my last assessment was NBME 7. I did NBME 3 couple times. UWSA was closest to my results which i took a month before exam.
Did u do on a lot of nbme discussion forums....cz ur nbmes r really Mind boggling
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I received a 228. not sure if i should be happy or sad about it, oh well, can't change it anyways. trying to apply for IM. I knew some questions were off during exam and block 5 and 6 were toughest for me.

study material used:
1) Did Conrad Fischer 20 cases(kaplan gave it to me for free cause I did some surgery online)-i enjoyed them
2) Bought High Yield kaplan which goes along with MTB 2
3) MTB3-great for everything that MTB 2 missed
4) DIT course-enjoyed the 20 min videos vs the 2 hr videos it used to be
5) Uworld- no explanation needed
6) skimmed Step 2 Secrets

study time: 4 months
NBME 4, 2 months before: 247
NBME 6, 1.5 months before: 254
UWSA, 1 month before: 230
NBME 7, 2 weeks before: 271-i only had 14 wrong the whole exam
150 free questions: 2 weeks before: 90%
read DIT, MTB 2+3 about 2x each.

did 9 blocks uworld questions everyday the last 2 weeks till i felt like my head was going to explode. then redid all the incorrect questions until i had no more incorrect questions remaining.

So with all the high NBME scores, i was expecting something a lot higher than 228, which is why i don't know if i should be happy or sad lol. it was closest to my UWSA score.

Congratulations!! to everyone for passing. I would like to thank everyone in this thread and this forum for keeping me somewhat sane, informed and always curious. I know there are many great minds here, I just hope no one falsified their score, cause I know that happens(i alway freaked out when i saw other threads and everyone scoring over 280 but this thread seems legit). Im wondering if theres a way to show proof of my score to show that Im legitimate. Anyways, wishing you all the best and success in your career, maybe we will cross paths sometime, and best of luck with the 2015 Match, if anyone is applying this year.
I have always put a lot of weight on practice tests to give me a rough idea of how i would do, for the MCAT it was 1 point off, step 1 was 1 point off, and hopefully step 2 will be the same, your experience makes me want to ask you a few questions: Did you look at the discussion forums for the NBMEs before taking them or help people answer questions that they maybe got wrong from tests unknowingly learning answers to the tests before actually taking them? or how about the timing, did you actually take them as back to back blocks online without pausing the test or taking excessive breaks/take them offline etc? It seems really strange for someone to score that differently from their NBMEs. Its also strange that your UWSA was 24 points lower than the NBME before that after another 2 weeks of studying and overall a 41 point spread from high-low test seems really drastic, did you do anything different in the way you took these tests? to make this as helpful to other people as possible it would be better to identify any possible variables that may have influenced the correlations. of the hundreds of other people who have recently taken NBME/UWSA the correlation seems to have been pretty close, and the few people who have been off can usually attribute the difference to something in particular - ie really bad test day, poor sleep, did the offline versions, did part of the test before etc. in either case, sorry to hear your NBME experience didn't come close to estimating your scores, i think it's important for other people to not get discouraged by your experience overall since the NBMEs are really solid at predicting scores, regardless of the perceived difference in difficulties in questions, the increasingly tough curve on NBMEs and the scales they use has historically worked out great for the vast majority when estimating real CK scores.
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to 2cool4medschool and manu. Yes for some reason these practice exams have always been like this my whole life, from ACT/SAT practice exam scores all the way down to USMLE practice exam scores. I have never been able to figure out what the cause is honestly. I slept really well night before, good solid 7-8 hours, for all exams, even ACTs hehe. It might run the family or something, cause for my sister its the same way, scores haven't really ever been close to her practice exams. She hasn't taken any boards, Im speaking of other exams for her(ACT/SAT/MCAT).

So the way I study, is to make sure whatever exam I am doing, that my practice exam results so super good, so then I could end up with a decent score for the real exam. Letme try to answer some questions you guys had on your post.

I looked at discussion forums for NBME 3 for CK beforehand for about 10-15 questions cause some people told me that its messed up and questions are tricky and I wanted an idea of what they mean't by that, but even then I just put the answers that i actually did think of for those questions on the actual online name 3. So if i got it wrong on the discussion, I placed the wrong answer during exam. Either way, my NBME 3 weren't good anyways.
I didn't look at any discussion forums for other NBMEs and took all my exams in the timed mode. I would sometimes, for example after 2 blocks, take a 10 minute break instead of a 5 minute break. Im not a fan of just continuing like a robot for 4 hours straight without a break.
as for variables, I have no idea. again i slept fine and well, was not sick with the flu or anything, Heck i wasn't even that stressed out. My family told me that for a person taking a big exam like this, you look cool as a cucumber(no joke). i know for step 1 i was more worried, for step 2 i walked in the testing center like i owned the place lol. I watched a movie the day before (IMAX 3D of course), I got a massage day before my Step 1 exam(maybe i became too relaxed and thats why my scores dropped for step 1 lol). I ate well day before, had a nice protein filled breakfast, had protein filled lunch, and some crackers.
Hopefully this answers some questions for you. Everyone has their own experience, this is mine. Everyone has different NBMEs and UWSA correlate better to their sore than others. and i wasn't trying to discourage anyone. Some friends told me their NBME 6 was closest while UWSA was crap, while other friends said UWSA was closest to their exam. everyone knows or should know what works best for them, everyone has different studying techniques, my technique is just to perform greatly on practice exams so then I know Ill end up with a decent score for real exam, and if I end up with a score as good as my practice exams, the heck I'll be the happiest person alive and wouldn't mind getting that score.
hopefully i clarified some things, if not, let me know. Thanks again for all the input in this forum!!
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Hello,
to 2cool4medschool and manu. Yes for some reason these practice exams have always been like this my whole life, from ACT/SAT practice exam scores all the way down to USMLE practice exam scores. I have never been able to figure out what the cause is honestly. I slept really well night before, good solid 7-8 hours, for all exams, even ACTs hehe. It might run the family or something, cause for my sister its the same way, scores haven't really ever been close to her practice exams. She hasn't taken any boards, Im speaking of other exams for her(ACT/SAT/MCAT).

So the way I study, is to make sure whatever exam I am doing, that my practice exam results so super good, so then I could end up with a decent score for the real exam. Letme try to answer some questions you guys had on your post.

I looked at discussion forums for NBME 3 for CK beforehand for about 10-15 questions cause some people told me that its messed up and questions are tricky and I wanted an idea of what they mean't by that, but even then I just put the answers that i actually did think of for those questions on the actual online name 3. So if i got it wrong on the discussion, I placed the wrong answer during exam. Either way, my NBME 3 weren't good anyways.
I didn't look at any discussion forums for other NBMEs and took all my exams in the timed mode. I would sometimes, for example after 2 blocks, take a 10 minute break instead of a 5 minute break. Im not a fan of just continuing like a robot for 4 hours straight without a break.
as for variables, I have no idea. again i slept fine and well, was not sick with the flu or anything, Heck i wasn't even that stressed out. My family told me that for a person taking a big exam like this, you look cool as a cucumber(no joke). i know for step 1 i was more worried, for step 2 i walked in the testing center like i owned the place lol. I watched a movie the day before (IMAX 3D of course), I got a massage day before my Step 1 exam(maybe i became too relaxed and thats why my scores dropped for step 1 lol). I ate well day before, had a nice protein filled breakfast, had protein filled lunch, and some crackers.
Hopefully this answers some questions for you. Everyone has their own experience, this is mine. Everyone has different NBMEs and UWSA correlate better to their sore than others. and i wasn't trying to discourage anyone. Some friends told me their NBME 6 was closest while UWSA was crap, while other friends said UWSA was closest to their exam. everyone knows or should know what works best for them, everyone has different studying techniques, my technique is just to perform greatly on practice exams so then I know Ill end up with a decent score for real exam, and if I end up with a score as good as my practice exams, the heck I'll be the happiest person alive and wouldn't mind getting that score.
hopefully i clarified some things, if not, let me know. Thanks again for all the input in this forum!!
How did you end up doing on NBME 3? is that the one that you took more than one time? i'm not sure how likely a familial hyposcore practice test syndrome is, i'd put more weight on the attitude "need to do super well on the practice test so i can get a decent score on the real test" and as much as you might say that you read through the NBME discussion before taking the test but still picked the answer you "would have" and the only reason you read the discussions is because there are bogus questions from what your friend said... that's negating the usefulness of the test, if you know that you have a history of practice tests not panning out as good predictors for you then you should by all means try to keep the practice tests as accurate and representative as possible, by reading any discussions on them beforehand you negate that... you're supposed to get those bogus questions, and they're supposed to stump you/waste your time. if you've already thought about them for a few minutes before taking the test then that'll surely make a difference in your scores, not only for those 15~ questions... but also for the time saved/spent on others.
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Hello,
to 2cool4medschool and manu. Yes for some reason these practice exams have always been like this my whole life, from ACT/SAT practice exam scores all the way down to USMLE practice exam scores. I have never been able to figure out what the cause is honestly. I slept really well night before, good solid 7-8 hours, for all exams, even ACTs hehe. It might run the family or something, cause for my sister its the same way, scores haven't really ever been close to her practice exams. She hasn't taken any boards, Im speaking of other exams for her(ACT/SAT/MCAT).

So the way I study, is to make sure whatever exam I am doing, that my practice exam results so super good, so then I could end up with a decent score for the real exam. Letme try to answer some questions you guys had on your post.

I looked at discussion forums for NBME 3 for CK beforehand for about 10-15 questions cause some people told me that its messed up and questions are tricky and I wanted an idea of what they mean't by that, but even then I just put the answers that i actually did think of for those questions on the actual online name 3. So if i got it wrong on the discussion, I placed the wrong answer during exam. Either way, my NBME 3 weren't good anyways.
I didn't look at any discussion forums for other NBMEs and took all my exams in the timed mode. I would sometimes, for example after 2 blocks, take a 10 minute break instead of a 5 minute break. Im not a fan of just continuing like a robot for 4 hours straight without a break.
as for variables, I have no idea. again i slept fine and well, was not sick with the flu or anything, Heck i wasn't even that stressed out. My family told me that for a person taking a big exam like this, you look cool as a cucumber(no joke). i know for step 1 i was more worried, for step 2 i walked in the testing center like i owned the place lol. I watched a movie the day before (IMAX 3D of course), I got a massage day before my Step 1 exam(maybe i became too relaxed and thats why my scores dropped for step 1 lol). I ate well day before, had a nice protein filled breakfast, had protein filled lunch, and some crackers.
Hopefully this answers some questions for you. Everyone has their own experience, this is mine. Everyone has different NBMEs and UWSA correlate better to their sore than others. and i wasn't trying to discourage anyone. Some friends told me their NBME 6 was closest while UWSA was crap, while other friends said UWSA was closest to their exam. everyone knows or should know what works best for them, everyone has different studying techniques, my technique is just to perform greatly on practice exams so then I know Ill end up with a decent score for real exam, and if I end up with a score as good as my practice exams, the heck I'll be the happiest person alive and wouldn't mind getting that score.
hopefully i clarified some things, if not, let me know. Thanks again for all the input in this forum!!
Well ur UWSA predicted pretty good so I'll give that as the "real test" for you but a drop from a 271 on what's supposedly the toughest nbme to a 228 on the test is show stopping ... No offence intended I mean scares the **** out of the rest of us who did just fair on the nbmes ... I mean except there was some other truth to the path of the nbme scores. My nbme 7 was just 228 "biting fingers"
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How did you end up doing on NBME 3? is that the one that you took more than one time? i'm not sure how likely a familial hyposcore practice test syndrome is, i'd put more weight on the attitude "need to do super well on the practice test so i can get a decent score on the real test" and as much as you might say that you read through the NBME discussion before taking the test but still picked the answer you "would have" and the only reason you read the discussions is because there are bogus questions from what your friend said... that's negating the usefulness of the test, if you know that you have a history of practice tests not panning out as good predictors for you then you should by all means try to keep the practice tests as accurate and representative as possible, by reading any discussions on them beforehand you negate that... you're supposed to get those bogus questions, and they're supposed to stump you/waste your time. if you've already thought about them for a few minutes before taking the test then that'll surely make a difference in your scores, not only for those 15~ questions... but also for the time saved/spent on others.
I believe I received 200 and 217 for the NBME 3 that I took twice. I know for sure I got a 217 on one of them. I forgot when during my study period I took them, but I think it was in my 2nd and 3rd month of studying. NBME 7 came out the week of my exam, or week and a half before my exam. so I don't think there were any discussion forums or what not or any answer keys or offline things during that time since it was such a new NBME.
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Well ur UWSA predicted pretty good so I'll give that as the "real test" for you but a drop from a 271 on what's supposedly the toughest nbme to a 228 on the test is show stopping ... No offence intended I mean scares the **** out of the rest of us who did just fair on the nbmes ... I mean except there was some other truth to the path of the nbme scores. My nbme 7 was just 228 "biting fingers"
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i'm sure you'll be fine, at least my UWSA was close to real thing. no need to worry over my experience, considering its rare to have such a drop in scores from NBMEs. like someone mentioned before, these NBMEs have been tested over time by 1000s of people to correlate to real score. I just happen to be the person to screw up that standard deviation and deviate from the norm

I rmb for step 1, everyone was telling me the NBME 6 was the toughest, but when i took it i found it to be easy, but then NBME 13 kicked me in the rear me, while others thought NBME 13 was easy. everyone has their own experiences.

Just stay positive and hope for the best.

if anyone knows how to take a screenshot off of the NBME website, I wouldn't mind showing my NBME results, I know the NBME site has some security thing like Uworld, so I don't want to have any problems. let me know
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i'm sure you'll be fine, at least my UWSA was close to real thing. no need to worry over my experience, considering its rare to have such a drop in scores from NBMEs. like someone mentioned before, these NBMEs have been tested over time by 1000s of people to correlate to real score. I just happen to be the person to screw up that standard deviation and deviate from the norm

I rmb for step 1, everyone was telling me the NBME 6 was the toughest, but when i took it i found it to be easy, but then NBME 13 kicked me in the rear me, while others thought NBME 13 was easy. everyone has their own experiences.

Just stay positive and hope for the best.

if anyone knows how to take a screenshot off of the NBME website, I wouldn't mind showing my NBME results, I know the NBME site has some security thing like Uworld, so I don't want to have any problems. let me know
you can take a picture of it with your phone an upload it.
i'm not sure what you're hoping to accomplish by posting the picture. it seems like there were discussion posts/etc the day after the test came out, so you could have easily unknowingly participated in those conversations. not meaning to say you're lying or somehow falsifying your experience in anyway; it's surely an important thing to let people know that the predictive value of these tests isn't as accurate as people claim them to be. i don't think its helpful however to present information like that without analyzing the possible counfounders.
i think i spent a little more time on break on my UWSA than I should have, i used the argument "on test day i'll have my snack food prepared, so i can spend a few minutes getting them ready" i did 5 points better on my UWSA than a recent NBME, i wont be surprised if my score is closer to the NBME which i took with more realistic time constraints.
i also know that i've read posts in the past that mentioned a sentence about something like ogilvie syndrome or tangier's disease ... the key to answer those questions correctly under normal circumstances may very well be that you're supposed to rule out all of the other answers using knowledge that you should know. by reading the few post describing a quick one line definition of the disease and not further familiarizing yourself with it your really harming yourself despite bolstering assessment scores.
taking practice tests/assessments to make sure you score well etc. is probably the most self-destructive attitude to take when preparing for a test that is largely testing your ability to construct new processes to answer questions; still, i think most people are guilty for caring a bit too much about numbers. a better indicator might be "how long did you spend reviewing a block of Uworld questions" rather than "what was the cummulative %?" and "did you spend 16 hours a day studying, or 3 months total?" i'd be surprised if people are able to get 16 hours a day of productive studying done, at some point those additional hours probably hurt more than help, and would be of much more benefit if they were used for sleep/exercise during preparation. i doubt 3 months is necessary for most people for step 2 CK when many take the test with <4weeks to review. of course people have different backgrounds and take the test in different times of their medical education and what im saying is just my opinion.

TL;DR, you can just take a picture with your phone if you want to post a picture, since i think NBME prohibits dissemination of the questions and your posting your scores it shouldn't be an issue but you might want to read their policy just to be safe.
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