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I wont say its a joke, but even a Stupido like me passed it and most people have been passing it. I didn't finish some of my interviews, didn't do closures for a lot of them, forgot to ask pertinent diagnostic questins, forgot Physical exam tests, forgot to finish progress notes, didn't know the diagnosis most of the time(. I did terrible on CK)

Don't listen to the gunners who are trying to discourage you making it seem like no one can pass anymore. I'm here to do the opposite, YOU can do it!!! Best of luck!
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Congratulations! Must have been thrilling..
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I wont say its a joke, but even a Stupido like me passed it and most people have been passing it. I didn't finish some of my interviews, didn't do closures for a lot of them, forgot to ask pertinent diagnostic questins, forgot Physical exam tests, forgot to finish progress notes, didn't know the diagnosis most of the time(. I did terrible on CK)

Don't listen to the gunners who are trying to discourage you making it seem like no one can pass anymore. I'm here to do the opposite, YOU can do it!!! Best of luck!
Thank u.. U r words r really motivating ...
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I expect in 2013 passing score for IMG to be around 50%. Additionally, this exam is very subjective so preparation for it is very tricky and specific for this particular exam. I do not think it makes you better doctor in future it makes you pass another obstacle so less of as can come to us and practice. Remember, education of doctor in US cost about 600.000 dollars. This is huge, and most of the middle class families can not effort.

My advise to everyone is to take it very seriously, study hard, get professional advise from people how are familiar with the exam specifics and the most important pamper your patients, there are the most important part of this exam.
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I expect in 2013 passing score for IMG to be around 50%. Additionally, this exam is very subjective so preparation for it is very tricky and specific for this particular exam. I do not think it makes you better doctor in future it makes you pass another obstacle so less of as can come to us and practice. Remember, education of doctor in US cost about 600.000 dollars. This is huge, and most of the middle class families can not effort.

My advise to everyone is to take it very seriously, study hard, get professional advise from people how are familiar with the exam specifics and the most important pamper your patients, there are the most important part of this exam.
I agree with this except the 50% pass rate part. That is laughable it will be a lot higher than that. I passed as an IMG despite making many big mistakes in most encounters .

For those who haven't taken it yet, study hard but don't be too worried. Vast majority of IMG usually pass. Once again lol at 50%. Almost all my friends many of whom have English as second language passed. Don't listen to the fear tactics of gunners.
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50% what does it mean for you? for me it means every other person will not pass. This is huge number.
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Don't be ridiculous. Pass rate will be FAR higher than 50%. closer to 80-90%. Most people who haven it, including AMG and IMG, have passed it this year.
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79% or something close to this number that was passing rate in 2012. After January 2013 are new rules and huge changes. How you can assume the rate state the same? Do not use emotion analyze the facts, did they ever implant changes to make any of the usmle exams easier? No. So, expect rate goes down, significantly.

I hope I do not have to explain that forum is not the place to take representative data. If you take seriously what people here write, you will have impression that every IMG pass the usmle with 250 and more passing score. If you had a little math in your schooling you will know it not passible.
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you had a little math in your schooling you will know it not passible.
And if you had more English you would know it is "possible".

Passing rate for AMGs was above 90% in 2012, for IMGs was around 78-79%. They said they were going to increase the standards but who knows for sure what the pass rate is going to be? Who are you to decide you know what the passing rates will be? Don't pull numbers like 50% out of your ass just to try to be a gunner and frighten people.
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I always preferred math than English and I do not understand Spanish at all.

this are the facts and I try always refer to facts.


IMG 2013 people participating: 12,683, people how get their residency position: 6,311 and percentage is 50%.

Stop telling people they should relax, if you fail 2CS your changes to match to residency are even lower than 50% and to match to descent residency program almost impossible.

If you are IMG outside of US please take this exam very seriously, since it is the only one subjective.

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I always preferred math than English and I do not understand Spanish at all.

this are the facts and I try always refer to facts.


IMG 2013 people participating: 12,683, people how get their residency position: 6,311 and percentage is 50%.


Stop telling people they should relax, if you fail 2CS your changes to match to residency are even lower than 50% and to match to descent residency program almost impossible.


If you are IMG outside of US please take this exam very seriously, since it is the only one subjective.
Of course everyone should be studying hard. That said I find your baseless estimations about what the pass rate will be to be quite ridiculous. You said, and I quote, that the pass rate for the step 2 CS will be 50%. That is laughable. Don't back away from that now. We were not talking about matching statistics here. You decided to pick a number out of your ass about what the passing rate will be, and picked an absurdly low number. You gunners always try to make obstacles seem more difficult than they really are to other IMGs to try to discourage them and feel worse about their chances. I apologize if I offend you by calling you out on it.

And by the way, THESE are the facts. You seem to have made it through the CS just fine despite your English skills being as limited as they are. I think most of the posters here can be pretty comfortable about their skills. Study and prepare as hard as you can for it, but don't listen to these gunners spouting off nonsense numbers. No one knows what the pass rates will be like this year.

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I do not why you are so angry towards me, just because I dare to disagree with you, so attacking me on personal level.

This is my prediction for 2013 passing rate will be around 50% for IMG. If your English is so good I think You understand what I'm writing here constantly. I assume it will decrease, because exam got more difficult and new rules are implanted since 2013.

You self evaluate your skills very low (look in your first post) and pass. Do not compare yourself to other people, especially IMG because there are people form around the world. I assume you must be American/Spanish native who study in Caribbean? I guess, maybe be wrong. If I,m right you took your medical rotation in US, so you can not represent an average IMG.

My advise to you, if people do not agree with you and have discussion, do not attack them personally.

May English is not perfect, but I know English etiquette.

Good luck to you!
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I agree with stupido to some extent.. This exam is doable but at the same time it is very subjective.. Like stupido I also could not do 4 closures and could not complete a few patient notes but I guess around 65-70 percent is required to pass this exam and I think it goes for every single case.. So, each case need not be perfect..To add to that I wouldn't deny the immense role of luck in this exam.. I passed with a comfortable margin in all three components despite having a bad exam experience but in case I had failed I would have believed that too.. For img's CS is scary but more than the content of the exam it's the anxiety and the luck that plays a huge role.. About passing rates one should not worry because that's not in our hands.. These statistics do nothing but make you lose focus..also confidence is the only thing that helps in CS.. There are so many people who take this exam under the impression that its easy and they have a lot of clinical experience and still fail in the exam.. Overconfidence and under confidence both kill equally..
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I agree with stupido to some extent.. This exam is doable but at the same time it is very subjective.. Like stupido I also could not do 4 closures and could not complete a few patient notes but I guess around 65-70 percent is required to pass this exam and I think it goes for every single case.. So, each case need not be perfect..To add to that I wouldn't deny the immense role of luck in this exam.. I passed with a comfortable margin in all three components despite having a bad exam experience but in case I had failed I would have believed that too.. For img's CS is scary but more than the content of the exam it's the anxiety and the luck that plays a huge role.. About passing rates one should not worry because that's not in our hands.. These statistics do nothing but make you lose focus..also confidence is the only thing that helps in CS.. There are so many people who take this exam under the impression that its easy and they have a lot of clinical experience and still fail in the exam.. Overconfidence and under confidence both kill equally..
True, good post. I agree with what you said. My purpose in this thread was not to make people underestimate the CS, it is a very difficult exam and there is a lot of subjectivity involved. It is to reassure people that it is still very doable. Most people end up passing it, regardless of whether they are IMGs or AMGs. And like you and me, many people pass it despite feeling like they had a horrible exam experience. I am mostly making a counterargument to the gunners who try to discourage people and kill their confidence by making this test seem like an impossible hurdle. The truth is, in the end most people make it through ok.
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medical rotation in US, so you can not represent an average IMG.

My advise to you, if people do not agree with you and have discussion, do not attack them personally. !
I was responding to your personal attack about my "math". If you did not perceive that attack as personal, then don't call my comments personal. I was just trying to logically discuss something with you, which you failed to do because your stance in this was based on a baseless and false statistic(Your imaginary 50% CS pass rate) meant to damage other posters' confidence in passing this exam. Sorry, but I stand strongly against that type of behavior among medical students. If you cannot handle a simple conversation like this it is not my fault, it has more to do with your own insecurities, which are also likely the reason behind the intent of your original post in this thread. I did not mean to be offensive at all.
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I think that people are so afraid of CS because of the simple fact that we can not simulate this examination.
Step 1 and Step 2 CK and step 3 you pretty much know what to expect with nbme and usw. But CS is so unpredictable...
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I always preferred math than English and I do not understand Spanish at all.

this are the facts and I try always refer to facts.


IMG 2013 people participating: 12,683, people how get their residency position: 6,311 and percentage is 50%.

Stop telling people they should relax, if you fail 2CS your changes to match to residency are even lower than 50% and to match to descent residency program almost impossible.

If you are IMG outside of US please take this exam very seriously, since it is the only one subjective.

So, you are just mixing two different statistics, making up your own number and now telling everyone the new passing rate will be 50%?
According to usmle.org it would be 62% based on last year's IMG performance, and will probably somewhere similar this year.
But there is no way you can know it will be 50%, and you are confusing two different rates, the CS pass rate and the rate of IMGs getting a residency position.
Also, your English is not the best (no offense), you are just making a lot of mistakes. I don't know if you have taken Step 2 CS yet.



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Of course everyone should be studying hard. That said I find your baseless estimations about what the pass rate will be to be quite ridiculous. You said, and I quote, that the pass rate for the step 2 CS will be 50%. That is laughable. Don't back away from that now. We were not talking about matching statistics here. You decided to pick a number out of your ass about what the passing rate will be, and picked an absurdly low number. You gunners always try to make obstacles seem more difficult than they really are to other IMGs to try to discourage them and feel worse about their chances. I apologize if I offend you by calling you out on it.

And by the way, THESE are the facts. You seem to have made it through the CS just fine despite your English skills being as limited as they are. I think most of the posters here can be pretty comfortable about their skills. Study and prepare as hard as you can for it, but don't listen to these gunners spouting off nonsense numbers. No one knows what the pass rates will be like this year.
I totally agree with everything Stupido is saying here.
His point (in case you are still trying to argue that, aloalo) is just that you should not go around making up some numbers and tell everyone that is the new pass rate. It is not fair to scare people. I don't think a 50% pass rate is that bad, and to be honest I do think lots of IMGs make the mistake of memorizing cases, going to the exam and then wondering why they did not get the same cases! Reading some of the "mistakes" posts I also wonder if some read the first section of FA at all.
I think if you prepare well and have common sense, English skills and basic skills on how to actually interact with a patient (which you should have learned in your clinical rotations at the latest), you will be fine.
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so out of the 12683 , 3432 people failed step 1, 2790 people failed CS, and 1521 people failed CK.

That is a total of 7743 people failing one step combined,
Now 1151 people failed 2 parts. {these date are from FA and NRMP posted on how many people pass on first attempt]

12683 - 6311 = 6372

it make sense. so around 6300 did not get residency.

Ooh Wait so failing any step is the statistic shown.

Keep in mind a minority fail 2 or 3 times.
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so out of the 12683 , 3432 people failed step 1, 2790 people failed CS, and 1521 people failed CK.

That is a total of 7743 people failing one step combined,
Now 1151 people failed 2 parts. {these date are from FA and NRMP posted on how many people pass on first attempt]

12683 - 6311 = 6372

it make sense. so around 6300 did not get residency.

Ooh Wait so failing any step is the statistic shown.

Keep in mind a minority fail 2 or 3 times.
I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or you are equaling the number of people failing a step (in which year? where is this number from? is it IMGs? IMGs and AMGs?) with people getting residency?
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I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or you are equaling the number of people failing a step (in which year? where is this number from? is it IMGs? IMGs and AMGs?) with people getting residency?
I want to know about his too,so I you fail a step like I did than the chances of landing a residency are slim to none...I was thinking about giving it again but these figures are disappointing to say the least...I just dont know anymore
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I'm not going to respond to personal attacks by stupido and val, very low.

Thank you Tonsil for this post finally somebody understand what I was training to explain all this time.

If you are IMG, not English as first language, please take professional help with this exam, live courses etc. and make sure I will follow the sequence of the exam as it is expected and teach in the American Medical Schools.

If you do not have strong CV and/or connection any failure during usmle examinations is decreasing your changes to match dramatically, as statistics presented by me and Tonsil.

As we can only speculate and wait for the passing score for 2CS exam in 2013 after new changes are implanted, my assumption is that it will be 50%, and for sure much lower than current rate. (79% for IMG's).

I'm not here to scare or discarage anyone, just training to present current stats and my own personal predictions.
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I'm not going to respond to personal attacks by stupido and val, very low.

Thank you Tonsil for this post finally somebody understand what I was training to explain all this time.

If you are IMG, not English as first language, please take professional help with this exam, live courses etc. and make sure I will follow the sequence of the exam as it is expected and teach in the American Medical Schools.

If you do not have strong CV and/or connection any failure during usmle examinations is decreasing your changes to match dramatically, as statistics presented by me and Tonsil.

As we can only speculate and wait for the passing score for 2CS exam in 2013 after new changes are implanted, my assumption is that it will be 50%, and for sure much lower than current rate. (79% for IMG's).

I'm not here to scare or discarage anyone, just training to present current stats and my own personal predictions.

I think everybody is making mistakes on this thread.

First Stupido is using his own personal experience to say that the decrease in passing rate is bull and that everybody should be fine.. This is NOT true. (remember that personal experience is the worst when making statistical assumptions)

People are having serious issues on this forum and lack the time and intelligence to actually perform a small 'research'.. USMLE.org already said there would be a decrease in the passing rate starting this year of both AMG's and IMG's. This is something Stupido cannot refute and if he does that he is lying.. As simple as that.

Secondly Aloalo. You are dont have the credentials or the logic to start making apocalyptic assumptions about the passing rate of CS at all. How on earth can you come with a 50% statistic? Your numbers and your assumptions are just plain wrong because first this year has not ended.. This year's passing statistics wont be released until next year, so there is no point of making assumptions at all.

And Val, aloalo already said his English sucks.. No point of criticizing that all over again.

Frankly I'm glad USMLE is raising his standards for all of the steps, this only raises quality and improves the filters. That people whine about this just makes me laugh.

Play by the rules, give your best and stop complaining about passing rate and conspirations against IMG's, the U.S has the right to do whatever they want and if they want to fail IMG's by the thousands is their right because it is their country, so please everyone just stop complaining and get to work.
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I think everybody is making mistakes on this thread.

First Stupido is using his own personal experience to say that the decrease in passing rate is bull and that everybody should be fine.. This is NOT true. (remember that personal experience is the worst when making statistical assumptions)

People are having serious issues on this forum and lack the time and intelligence to actually perform a small 'research'.. USMLE.org already said there would be a decrease in the passing rate starting this year of both AMG's and IMG's. This is something Stupido cannot refute and if he does that he is lying.. As simple as that.

Secondly Aloalo. You are dont have the credentials or the logic to start making apocalyptic assumptions about the passing rate of CS at all. How on earth can you come with a 50% statistic? Your numbers and your assumptions are just plain wrong because first this year has not ended.. This year's passing statistics wont be released until next year, so there is no point of making assumptions at all.

And Val, aloalo already said his English sucks.. No point of criticizing that all over again.

Frankly I'm glad USMLE is raising his standards for all of the steps, this only raises quality and improves the filters. That people whine about this just makes me laugh.

Play by the rules, give your best and stop complaining about passing rate and conspirations against IMG's, the U.S has the right to do whatever they want and if they want to fail IMG's by the thousands is their right because it is their country, so please everyone just stop complaining and get to work.
well said XpaezX, I always like your postings!
Yeah, it's mind boggling how much logical fallacy happens again and again in this forum. If we apply the Biostat lecture, we will be able to better understand this whole situation and avoid fallacies.
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Assumption definition:

"something taken for granted: something that is believed to be true without proof"

I said in my post "personal assumption", never claim is the fact.

It is vary hard to have discussion here and dare to disagree.

XpaezX aren't you one of the affiliates with the live preparation course for 2 CS? if so, you should claim conflict of interest and point out your affiliation.

If I'm right, then do not surprise me your statement:

"Frankly I'm glad USMLE is raising his standards for all of the steps, this only raises quality and improves the filters. That people whine about this just makes me laugh"

I will also laugh when more people will come to my business because of certain circumstances.
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Assumption definition:

"something taken for granted: something that is believed to be true without proof"

I said in my post "personal assumption", never claim is the fact.

It is vary hard to have discussion here and dare to disagree.

XpaezX aren't you one of the affiliates with the live preparation course for 2 CS? if so, you should claim conflict of interest and point out your affiliation.

If I'm right, then do not surprise me your statement:

"Frankly I'm glad USMLE is raising his standards for all of the steps, this only raises quality and improves the filters. That people whine about this just makes me laugh"

I will also laugh when more people will come to my business because of certain circumstances.
What? LOL! another 8ternity right here (paranoid personality)!! Talk about conspiracy and all!
Im an affiliate with what? Seriously dude get your stuff together and go cry a river somewhere else, get a hold on yourself or else you will become a buffoon.

I dont need you to come lecture me about the word 'assumption' Because I know it better than you thats for sure and I will say it again.. YOUR ASSUMPTION IS WRONG AND LACKS LOGIC AND GROUNDS. Thats the truth and if you can accept that that is not my problem buddy.. Grow up.

You should write a book about conspiracy theories and all! maybe you will be able to succeed there.

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I think you all are missing the main reason why stupido started this thread ..to motivate others and prove that CS is a doable exam..nobody said that we should not work hard for it.. A lot depends on your background and how good your practice partners are.. Not forgetting the importance of good English.. If you are an Img and you are not confident about your English you should practice more and work hard to improve it..and it's better to forget about statistics .. We have always been in a competitive field right from getting into medical school..
Initially it appears scary that 60 percent img's pass but with right preparation this exam is doable no doubt..
And i don't say that everyone on this forum doesn't know what they are saying..we all know the facts quite well..this is just a discussion going on..so take it that way only..
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XpaezX I ask you this provocative question to see your reaction, how mature it will be .
1. You did not answer my question
2. You start shouting (caps letters), calling names (buffoon), attacking me integrity (paranoid personality)
3. You did not provide any valuable point to the discussion

I was hoping after first post, there is some hope in you...
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Guys, let's not fight each other please !!!
We all know this is a stupid and unfair exam.....
It's nerve wracking and not standardized....
If anything we should stick together and all file a petition to have this test removed...... fighting each other is only gonna break us apart......
Remember, our common enemy is the NBME....
This test is rigged....
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I think everybody is making mistakes on this thread.

First Stupido is using his own personal experience to say that the decrease in passing rate is bull and that everybody should be fine.. This is NOT true. (remember that personal experience is the worst when making statistical assumptions)

People are having serious issues on this forum and lack the time and intelligence to actually perform a small 'research'.. USMLE.org already said there would be a decrease in the passing rate starting this year of both AMG's and IMG's. This is something Stupido cannot refute and if he does that he is lying.. As simple as that.

Secondly Aloalo. You are dont have the credentials or the logic to start making apocalyptic assumptions about the passing rate of CS at all. How on earth can you come with a 50% statistic? Your numbers and your assumptions are just plain wrong because first this year has not ended.. This year's passing statistics wont be released until next year, so there is no point of making assumptions at all.

And Val, aloalo already said his English sucks.. No point of criticizing that all over again.

Frankly I'm glad USMLE is raising his standards for all of the steps, this only raises quality and improves the filters. That people whine about this just makes me laugh.

Play by the rules, give your best and stop complaining about passing rate and conspirations against IMG's, the U.S has the right to do whatever they want and if they want to fail IMG's by the thousands is their right because it is their country, so please everyone just stop complaining and get to work.

I completely agree (even with what you said about me )
well said!
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Frankly I'm glad USMLE is raising his standards for all of the steps, this only raises quality and improves the filters. That people whine about this just makes me laugh.
Step 2 CS used to be working through a "checklist" of questions. People are complaining that it is different now. I keep hearing it is unfair - well, prove it. I don't think it is unfair or the whole thing is a scam. Sure, they can set the minimal passing requirements however high they want. But I am pretty sure they won't fail you if you actually meet those requirements.
And like stupido said, it is possible to do that!
Study hard, use common sense and do your best.
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Anyone who hasn't written the CS yet, you would drastically increase your chances of passing if you leave this thread and use the time to practice... instead of banging heads against the wall here.
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I think everybody is making mistakes on this thread.

First Stupido is using his own personal experience to say that the decrease in passing rate is bull and that everybody should be fine.. This is NOT true. (remember that personal experience is the worst when making statistical assumptions)

People are having serious issues on this forum and lack the time and intelligence to actually perform a small 'research'.. USMLE.org already said there would be a decrease in the passing rate starting this year of both AMG's and IMG's. This is something Stupido cannot refute and if he does that he is lying.. As simple as that.

Secondly Aloalo. You are dont have the credentials or the logic to start making apocalyptic assumptions about the passing rate of CS at all. How on earth can you come with a 50% statistic? Your numbers and your assumptions are just plain wrong because first this year has not ended.. This year's passing statistics wont be released until next year, so there is no point of making assumptions at all.

And Val, aloalo already said his English sucks.. No point of criticizing that all over again.

Frankly I'm glad USMLE is raising his standards for all of the steps, this only raises quality and improves the filters. That people whine about this just makes me laugh.

Play by the rules, give your best and stop complaining about passing rate and conspirations against IMG's, the U.S has the right to do whatever they want and if they want to fail IMG's by the thousands is their right because it is their country, so please everyone just stop complaining and get to work.
XpaezX,
I had a surprise in Jan/2014.
I failed CS on Dec/2013 . I failed only ICE subcomponent the rest were OK
I need the name of the on line course you used .I did not take any courses live or on line before the exam. Studied FA , UW and practiced every week for 3-4 hrs with partner on line .
Your help is appreciated .
Thanks
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