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I have been having this conflict in my mind for a while. Being a muslim, it is prohibited in my religion to shake hands with the opposite sex. Now i am wondering if i skip this in the cases that have a female patient would i be able to pass the exam? Would the CS people understand this?

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it would be unwise to skip any cases.

Just introduce yourself in a pleasant way and move on. you don't have to shake hands with every patients if you don't want to. thats my opinion.
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it would be unwise to skip any cases.

Just introduce yourself in a pleasant way and move on. you don't have to shake hands with every patients if you don't want to. thats my opinion.
I only want to skip the shaking hands part in the stations that have a female patient not the whole case.

Thank you for your input.
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That's a good question. I believe there are lots of moslem Dr who passed the exam and it would be insightful to hear their input. I don't recall any info on this in CS bulletin.

I wonder though, does the religion restriction also apply when you have to touch the patient in physical exam manuvers? like doing PMI palpation in female? If you didn't get the answer here, maybe you can email ecfmg and ask about this?

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I have been having this conflict in my mind for a while. Being a muslim, it is prohibited in my religion to shake hands with the opposite sex. Now i am wondering if i skip this in the cases that have a female patient would i be able to pass the exam? Would the CS people understand this?

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If I were you, I wouldn't come to USA. Either come to compromise on subtle & meaningless issues or don't come. As the majority of Americans aren't Muslims, they may get offended with your action & also as a patient they loose the trust in patient-physician relation ship. Try to go & study in middle east countries, as it would be perfect for your religious interest. If you want come here, then learn to reason out your actions & laugh at your beliefs.
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I have been having this conflict in my mind for a while. Being a muslim, it is prohibited in my religion to shake hands with the opposite sex. Now i am wondering if i skip this in the cases that have a female patient would i be able to pass the exam? Would the CS people understand this?

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It is also the same issue, if a female doctor wont show her face to the male SP. Please guys stop coming here or don't look others to tell you what to do. I know for the majority of your lives you didn't live with a reason, but with 'to do or not 2 do list' given you since birth. Try to suppress your amygdala body & at least awaken your cerebral cortex for a while.
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I only want to skip the shaking hands part in the stations that have a female patient not the whole case.

Thank you for your input.

seriously ??? you are trying to be a liscenced doc in USA, and asking this question??? im a muslim too dear,... but...... i think you should go to middle east or stay wherever you are... because hand shaking is something that cant be avoided here... whether its CS or residency interviews...
you can think about it again... before wasting your parents money...
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i think this post should be blocked .. because people are just trying to target the religion here...
You should not have asked such question Hockey !!
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I don't see the reason to be harsh on him. He is just asking a question. His question will benefit others that will come afterwards. You can give answer respectfully without attacking IMO. To some, maybe it's not a big deal. To others maybe it is. I read a thread here about religious question on hijab and burqa to wear to CS, which i think is very helpful to those who need it.
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It is also the same issue, if a female doctor wont show her face to the male SP. Please guys stop coming here or don't look others to tell you what to do. I know for the majority of your lives you didn't live with a reason, but with 'to do or not 2 do list' given you since birth. Try to suppress your amygdala body & at least awaken your cerebral cortex for a while.
Really now you'd attack religion other than yours, are you that insecure? You are not suitable for us either, it's a land of freedom for people of all religions and races and you'd be kicked out sooner than later if you flashed your hatred for your muslim patients by telling them they got no brains to be following a to do and no to do list when they asked you things regarding fasting, pilgrimage etc in case of their illness. Learn to accept the differences and move on. Or you'd burn yourself in your own fire of hatred.

To the op, I think you can skip handshake and make a courteous bow/ curtsy type thing for the female patients. If you introduce yourself nicely and be courteous I don't think it would change anything. Best of luck.
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Replies from people who don't belong to this religion are not welcomed.

I have lived in the USA for a short while. USA is a country that has a variety of religions, beliefs and roots of people and it is there where I learned to accept people who are different from me and treat everybody with same amount of respect and consideration regardless of their religion and race.
And I am sure that americans themselves are better than me in doing so.

Dear moderators please close this thread because it was taken to a faulty extreme.
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I have been having this conflict in my mind for a while. Being a muslim, it is prohibited in my religion to shake hands with the opposite sex. Now i am wondering if i skip this in the cases that have a female patient would i be able to pass the exam? Would the CS people understand this?

What do u think guys?
I'm a muslim too, I know this is sometimes hard to some muslims, for me, I do all Salat, Zakat, Ramadan, but I shake female hands in USA.
In USA, you need to shake your patients hand either in residency or CS, or else your patient will be offended, and Islam didn't allow us to offend people.

Well, about CS exam, you don't want to risk it, Islam let you do anything prohibited if there's a harm to you (that's what is great about Islam), and failing CS is big harm to your medical future in USA.
As a patient-physician relationship, Islam allowed muslim physicians to tough and exam female patient body (if needed), sometimes you can harm your patient if you don't do some specific exam, and that's not allowed in Islam.

As being said:
Islam religion is an easy religion not tough religion.
So please don't make it a tough religion.

Good luck with your exam.

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I'm a muslim too, I know this is sometimes hard to some muslims, for me, I do all Salat, Zakat, Ramadan, but I shake female hands in USA.
In USA, you need to shake your patients hand either in residency or CS, or else your patient will be offended, and Islam didn't allow us to offend people.

Well, about CS exam, you don't want to risk it, Islam let you do anything prohibited if there's a harm to you (that's what is great about Islam), and failing CS is big harm to your medical future in USA.
As a patient-physician relationship, Islam allowed muslim physicians to tough and exam female patient body (if needed), sometimes you can harm your patient if you don't do some specific exam, and that's not allowed in Islam.

As being said:
Islam religion is an easy religion not tough religion.
So please don't make it a tough religion.

Good luck with your exam.
I'm not Muslim, but wow, if that comment didn't reassure & convinced you nothing will.
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this is an idiotic discussion
Get over yourself and shake hands because this is the US!!!! MLE...
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You don't have to shake hands with your patients. You can be nice enough without shaking hands with them. Just watch your gesture and body language.

In real life, You can always explain it to your colleagues or patients that you can't touch the opposite sex unless you have a valid reason like doing the physical exam. Most people will understand it and respect it. Some ignorant people will get upset. You can't please everyone. Don't look behind and stay nice.

Some Orthodox christian are like that too and they have no shame to tell people about it. Stay strong. Your success is in God's hands. It's not about how much you study or how much people like you! Who ever leaves something for Allah, Allah will replace it with something better for him/her. Study well and pray for me

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For none Muslims... Please be understanding. It's not the end of the world that a man wants to be closer to God and he is not harming anyone. The world is enough for all of us. No reason to hurt others.

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Plz don't bring the this third world mentality to America, are you telling me that it's OK to do a physical exam on a half naked male patient but it's not OK to shake his hand, do you have any idea how ridiculous this sounds. How are going to perform genital or a rectal exams on male patients in the future if you wont even shake their hands.

Edit: I didn't read the question properly, thought you're a female, still the same logic applies.

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I think it's none of your business if anyone wants to shake hands or not. It's not your religion not your problem.
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..So I realize that discussion went into a completely different direction, but still - my two cents.

I didn't shake hands with a single patient during my CS, neither while introducing myself nor before leaving, and I got my PASS last Wednesday.
It wasn't because of some religious restrictions or anything like that (I'm not Muslim, I'm Orthodox). It was solely due to pregnancy-related hyperhydrosis, especially in my palms - still suffering from it, even being postpartum .
I just didn't want to gross the patients out, that's it.

And I passed.

From what I've heard Standardized Patients fill out a checklist of 30+ items like "Physician introduced himself", "Physician clearly stated his/her role" and so on. "Physician shook hands with you" is not on the list.

And I also made lots and lots of other mistakes, too - forgot to counsel in a few cases, forgot to put the gloves on in one case, didn't show empathy a few times, completely messed up the diagnosis in at least a half of the cases - to mention a few, the list goes on and on. So it's not like my exam was perfect apart from hand shaking. Not at all.
So don't shake anybody's hands if you don't want to, you'll be fine.
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That was a nice reply, thank you for the info and CONGRATS!!!!
Also, love your name LOL
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My husband kept calling me Mrs Grumpy Pants when I was pregnant.
I guess because of all the hormones and stress I kept snapping at him for no reason at all - and that's how I earned my name
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lol at some of the comments xD

Everyone has the right to practice his religion ESPECIALLY in the US. And yes it may seem insulting if someone puts out his hand for you to shake and then you let him/her down, but if you explain the reasons behind it the majority of patients do understand.

For CS purposes it is much easier since patients dont shake hands unless you do first, so if you dont offer to shake their hands they wont.

and thanks God some of you were not immigration officers & had no relation to immigration rules here in the US! You should not enter the US because you dont shake hands?! seriously?! WTF people!!

I believe it is a very helpful thread and thank you Grumpypants (love the name too xD) for your answer
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I just want to say that I did not shake hands and I passed the exam. And indeed the key is to nicely greet the patient.
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I just want to say that I did not shake hands and I passed the exam. And indeed the key is to nicely greet the patient.
Congrats Hockey! Good to hear an update from you! Hopefully this will put an ease to others that may have the same concern as you did. Best of luck for the Match!
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Assalamulayakum WW,



-You could politely say, it's against my beliefs to shake hands with the opposite gender,
-You could bow your head instead if you wish to and politely say the above.

It's not a compulsion at all in USA to shake hands, Behavioral Science also says that you do not have to do anything if it's against your religious beliefs.

That being said religious talks and arguments should be avoided in the work place. You should not harm the patients belief too and maintain a respectful environment.

May ALLAH accept your struggle to refrain from haraam.
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I have been having this conflict in my mind for a while. Being a muslim, it is prohibited in my religion to shake hands with the opposite sex. Now i am wondering if i skip this in the cases that have a female patient would i be able to pass the exam? Would the CS people understand this?

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That is awesome man, shows that you have some Taqwa (God Fearingness) left in you unlike some other people I know.
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