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Canada Any Canadian or anyone that can help me regarding SON please

Hi all,

I matched into IM this year. I'm facing a bit of a dilemma regarding my statement of need. The limit health Canada has put on for internal medicine this year is 180. I've been in touch with representatives from Health Canada and was informed that 142 spots are filled so far. I applied a little late and I agree it was my irresponsibility and lack of paying attention.
With only 38 spots remaining and over 250 MORE applications to review since March 17th, I'm not so sure about my chances of getting an SoN. I will find out next week.

Does ANYONE have ANY clue what happens if someone isn't issued a statement of need? I cannot try for H1 visa because I'm not done with step 3.
What do I do and who do I appeal to?
Is there a possibility I may not be able to start my residency at all??
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I'd only be speculating, but I've been doing a lot of research on this over the last 2 years. I'd be optimistic if I were you. There are 250 application, I'm assuming, in ALL specialties. So there may not be 38 IM in the pile. I hope. But it's a very dangerous situation. Have Plan B ready.

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Does ANYONE have ANY clue what happens if someone isn't issued a statement of need?
It's a new situation with Health Canada. This is the first year where IM is hard-capped. I would definitely try to read all information on the Health Canada website. I remember them saying there are no exceptions, but because this is new, I can imagine the possibility of them having leniency this year and this year only.

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What do I do and who do I appeal to?
I'm assuming you will need to CONTACT YOUR PROVINCE, as well as Health Canada. See the contact information on the Health Canada SoN website. It's there. For now, I'd try to contact your province.

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Is there a possibility I may not be able to start my residency at all??
Yes, that is a possibility. A J-1 is your only visa option, and Health Canada has made it very clear that they cap at 180. Canada is acting in accordance with how the J-1 was meant to be used.

I hope they are kind to you, and everyone else though. Next year, I imagine, will be much more time-competitive as the word spreads about their restrictions.
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There is a similar discussion on another major USMLE forum. Here's a comment that I think has wise words, from randomguy91:

"I've been just cruising and reading all the negative messages about the limited number of SON. I had the pleasure to talk to representatives from Canada Health and talked about the changes.

First misconception is that Health Canada does not set number for each letters, it was actually the decisions of the provincial health board decision to start it.

Second, if you feel like you didn't make the cut, you can appeal, it goes back to the province where you are a permanent resident. Only the health minister there can approve or disapprove.

Third, those whom find it unfair, this is only the second year that this has been done. This is help direct more IMG to Fields that require Physicians. Canadian health care is focused around PCP and less around specialty and thus the reason the change in direction of number.

After you finish your residency, finish board exams in the states and obtain a Canadian license which is easy if you finish all requirements prior to graduating, you can apply for fellowship under other categories in the statement of needs section meaning you can do a fellowship. The requirement is to obtain a Canadian license to practice prior to as Canada wishes more physicians to come back to practice which isn't the case right now. Only 20-30% do.

I'm not in support of the limitation however understand that the reason why there is limitations moving forward. People have been abusing the system, obtaining J1, finishing residency and fellowship and then because of lack of knowledge, unable to obtain speciality license in Canada. Also understand that Canada health is doing what is best for the country and not particularly for the individual. Because of this, they are more flexible appeals however in the future this might not be the case.

Finally those whom applied late, be aware that if you read the instruction carefully, you could have applied on Friday. These rule have not changed for the last 2 years and the requirement have been the same. You should have prepared your documents well in advance and left the program information blank and submitted it on Friday when obtained. If you don't get a visa, its ultimately your fault as there should be no reason why you shouldn't. Instead of blaming the system you should take more ownership of your future. We all worked hard, we all made sacrifices, but the road doesn't end because we match. It will be like this for the rest of our lives, be prepared and keep informed. If you can't keep up, subscribe to a newsletter that can keep you up to date or hire someone who can tell you. Your patient lives will depend on it too and it will avoid a lawsuit."
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Hi all,

I matched into IM this year. I'm facing a bit of a dilemma regarding my statement of need. The limit health Canada has put on for internal medicine this year is 180. I've been in touch with representatives from Health Canada and was informed that 142 spots are filled so far. I applied a little late and I agree it was my irresponsibility and lack of paying attention.
With only 38 spots remaining and over 250 MORE applications to review since March 17th, I'm not so sure about my chances of getting an SoN. I will find out next week.

Does ANYONE have ANY clue what happens if someone isn't issued a statement of need? I cannot try for H1 visa because I'm not done with step 3.
What do I do and who do I appeal to?
Is there a possibility I may not be able to start my residency at all??
This is a shitty situation. Someone did already copy and paste my comments about the SON so I don't have to repeat it but in you particular situation I would recommend the following:
- Contact Health Canada and have the Appeal process ready.
- Contact your provincial health minister and see what there opinions are. Remember these are the people whom will deal with the appeal. Health Canada just acts as a middle party.
- contact your program ASAP if you are unable to obtain SON. They might look into sponsoring you a H1b visa if you finish Step 3 and allow you to start late instead of July 1st. I've seen that happen before.
- If you fail to get the decision appealed and don't get an H1b, then I'm sure you know that you will have to withdraw from your position. I'm sorry there isn't more options for you.

Tips for apply for appeal:
1. Be honest
2. Explain hardships in detail including financial and career
3. Provide as much supporting documents as possible to make a strong case
4. Possibly hired a lawyer to create documents to make you arguments stronger. Caution with doing this however if you are stating financial strain, they might question how you were able to hire a lawyer.

Finally in regards to application numbers, I understand there is still 200+ applications that need to be processes however majority of them are in Family Medicine. You might get lucky and be within the limit. If so, count your blessings and learn from this.
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Mk, please when did you apply? I sent in my IM application on Monday afternoon and it looks like I am in a dire situation too like you. How did you know the number of spots left?
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Randomguy, can you please guide me through the process of the appeal? If you don't mind, can you please share your skype details. This is a very serious situation.
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This is a shitty situation. Someone did already copy and paste my comments about the SON so I don't have to repeat it but in you particular situation I would recommend the following:
- Contact Health Canada and have the Appeal process ready.
- Contact your provincial health minister and see what there opinions are. Remember these are the people whom will deal with the appeal. Health Canada just acts as a middle party.
- contact your program ASAP if you are unable to obtain SON. They might look into sponsoring you a H1b visa if you finish Step 3 and allow you to start late instead of July 1st. I've seen that happen before.
- If you fail to get the decision appealed and don't get an H1b, then I'm sure you know that you will have to withdraw from your position. I'm sorry there isn't more options for you.

Tips for apply for appeal:
1. Be honest
2. Explain hardships in detail including financial and career
3. Provide as much supporting documents as possible to make a strong case
4. Possibly hired a lawyer to create documents to make you arguments stronger. Caution with doing this however if you are stating financial strain, they might question how you were able to hire a lawyer.

Finally in regards to application numbers, I understand there is still 200+ applications that need to be processes however majority of them are in Family Medicine. You might get lucky and be within the limit. If so, count your blessings and learn from this.
Thank you for such a detailed response and your previous post. Yes you are right, it is my fault because i should have been more aware. I am pretty screwed because not only did I apply late, health canada is STILL reviewing applications from march 17th after 2:04 pm. I honestly had no idea about this I've been working on this whole application process for residency for 3 years and i totally missed this detail.
In the worst case i would need to appeal.
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Mk, please when did you apply? I sent in my IM application on Monday afternoon and it looks like I am in a dire situation too like you. How did you know the number of spots left?
I submitted on tuesday which is extremely late. I honestly have no idea but i will go through with the appeal process if im not given a statement. They are still on march 17. Its strange how last year only 193 SoNs for IM were given and this year it seems a lot more because 142 are from applications submitted on the 17th of march.
I contacted health canada and they told me about these numbers.
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Thank you for your response.
Going by the numbers you have up here, I think it is wise to start the appeal process. Can you please keep me informed if you find anything about the appeal process? I also genuinely never knew it was a big thing like this, but there is really no room for excuses at this point.

Please keep me in the loop, the earlier we start the appeal the better.
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Can you also kindly share the phone number to call them? I need to call them tomorrow. I am loosing sleep over this.
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Can you also kindly share the phone number to call them? I need to call them tomorrow. I am loosing sleep over this.
What is calling them going to do for you? Just be patient. They are going through them quickly and you should receive some sort confirmation this week if they keep this pace.
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Be nice randomguy
Calling them will let me have an idea of the number they currently have left and the time of the applications they are currently working on now. Then I can quickly start the appeal process.

Randomguy, you seem to know so much about this, can you please share how best one can go about the appeal?
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Be nice randomguy
Calling them will let me have an idea of the number they currently have left and the time of the applications they are currently working on now. Then I can quickly start the appeal process.

Randomguy, you seem to know so much about this, can you please share how best one can go about the appeal?
Sorry if I came off rude. Just want you to relax until you get the results. It's like match all over again haha. Just be patient and you might get it.

I heard it will be part of the email that your receive if you are rejected in regards to appeal and the process. Online there isn't much about it but I know there is a form you fill out. Since not many people appeal it'll be quick so I wouldn't be worried about turn around time for it. I would however start writing why you Should get a SON.
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This is so stressful. im not even sure what im feeling because i never imagined this could happen and have no idea what to expect next. The HC people keep saying contact ECFMG or my program...
Thanks for your guidance rsndomguy. Will wait for the email and prepare for appeal
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This is a shitty situation. Someone did already copy and paste my comments about the SON so I don't have to repeat it but in you particular situation I would recommend the following:
- Contact Health Canada and have the Appeal process ready.
- Contact your provincial health minister and see what there opinions are. Remember these are the people whom will deal with the appeal. Health Canada just acts as a middle party.
- contact your program ASAP if you are unable to obtain SON. They might look into sponsoring you a H1b visa if you finish Step 3 and allow you to start late instead of July 1st. I've seen that happen before.
- If you fail to get the decision appealed and don't get an H1b, then I'm sure you know that you will have to withdraw from your position. I'm sorry there isn't more options for you.

Tips for apply for appeal:
1. Be honest
2. Explain hardships in detail including financial and career
3. Provide as much supporting documents as possible to make a strong case
4. Possibly hired a lawyer to create documents to make you arguments stronger. Caution with doing this however if you are stating financial strain, they might question how you were able to hire a lawyer.

Finally in regards to application numbers, I understand there is still 200+ applications that need to be processes however majority of them are in Family Medicine. You might get lucky and be within the limit. If so, count your blessings and learn from this.







Hey, got an email saying that I won't be receiving a statement of need, because the quota has already been filled for my speciality. I called that health Canada number that you provided and the lady said you can't appeal. Any guidance on how to appeal or how to move forward would be great.
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Hey, got an email saying that I won't be receiving a statement of need, because the quota has already been filled for my speciality. I called that health Canada number that you provided and the lady said you can't appeal. Any guidance on how to appeal or how to move forward would be great.
DO you know how far out you were? Which specialty is this?
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Can you also kindly share the phone number to call them? I need to call them tomorrow. I am loosing sleep over this.
Did you get any update pilot?
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DO you know how far out you were? Which specialty is this?

I was trying to hold back tears, so I forgot to ask. Anesthesiology.
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How soon after the results came out did you guys submit your statement of need requests? I'm just curious because I'm applying next year and this is scary stuff.

I hope everything works out for you all. I heard there are ways around it through getting a statement of need via provincial governments.
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No updates yet. I am still with you
I called that number several times today without luck, I couldn't get anything done today and unfortunately its a long weekend.

Well I got in touch with the Provincial contact at the Ministry of health.
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The best time to apply is 5-10 minutes after the match posting is released. Have everything ready.

I applied around 2-3pm EST on Monday. Heard there were only 38 slots left and they were still on Friday applications.
You have no idea how scary it is
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Have you tried contacting the province?

When did you apply? I got palpitations just reading your post
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Have you tried contacting the province?

When did you apply? I got palpitations just reading your post
I applied on Sunday.
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Have you tried contacting the province?

When did you apply? I got palpitations just reading your post

I haven't tried contacting them, trying to figure out where to start. Them email came in at 3pm est, so there weren't many business hours left to do anything after I found out.
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Oh my goodness! And I applied on Monday

I think you should start contacting your province immediately.
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Oh okay, I see. I am just bracing up

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I haven't tried contacting them, trying to figure out where to start. Them email came in at 3pm est, so there weren't many business hours left to do anything after I found out.
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I am in the same boat as you guys. My application was received at 1:26 EST on Monday. did anyone hear from the office today. I was told that we should have an answer by Monday.
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A week before when I called the secretary for information, I was informed that last year they had extra SONs for IM category and getting one should not be a problem. Fingers crossed for Monday. its like waiting for match results all over again.
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I applied on tuesday. Pilot what do u mean? 38 were remaining after u applied? I cant believe this is happening. No one even wrote anything on any pages i missed out on such important detail..
im really sorry to hear about the anestheiology spots you should not give up and contact the province on monday. I was reading up on how to write an appeal but i dont know where to find a lawyer..
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A week before when I called the secretary for information, I was informed that last year they had extra SONs for IM category and getting one should not be a problem. Fingers crossed for Monday. its like waiting for match results all over again.
Last year limit was 200 ans they received 193.. this time they reduced it to 180 i feel like im the last canadian that applied for IM SON this year
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I applied on tuesday. Pilot what do u mean? 38 were remaining after u applied? I cant believe this is happening. No one even wrote anything on any pages i missed out on such important detail..
im really sorry to hear about the anestheiology spots you should not give up and contact the province on monday. I was reading up on how to write an appeal but i dont know where to find a lawyer..
Where were you reading about how to write an appeal and where do I send the appeal to?
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No updates yet. I am still with you
I called that number several times today without luck, I couldn't get anything done today and unfortunately its a long weekend.

Well I got in touch with the Provincial contact at the Ministry of health.
What did they say?
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Where were you reading about how to write an appeal and where do I send the appeal to?
It was legal aid appeal but i dont really get it. What does it mean to contact province? The minister of health?
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here is me being a little optimistic this time. Most of the people who were well aware of the time constraint probably applied in the first couple of hours. so majority of the IM applications have been processed. 140 spots filled.

rest who were unaware like us, probably waited till Monday or later to apply. even though they have a pile of ~250 application to be processed, its nothing compared to what they must have received in the first few hours.


I just hope we all get the required statement of need. else I think we should proceed by first contacting our local MLA and MP.
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I probably applied a feew minutes after you. Well we are all hopeful it all works out. I tried the program coordinator's phone OCD style today and I didn't get through. So fingers crossed
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There is a list of the provincial J1 representatives at the provincial ministry, I just looked up the contact of my province and I contacted them. The guy said that there is nothing can be done since I have not received an official letter notifying me I didn't reach the limit so there is nothing that can be done for now.
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There is a list of the provincial J1 representatives at the provincial ministry, I just looked up the contact of my province and I contacted them. The guy said that there is nothing can be done since I have not received an official letter notifying me I didn't reach the limit so there is nothing that can be done for now.
So fingers crossed

can you please share the list or the link to that list? thank you
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British Columbia
Ms. Tricia Raeburn
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Health Match BC
Telephone: 604-714-2271

Alberta
Dr. Bright Drah
Health Human Resources Applied Research & Education
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10th floor, ATB Place North Tower
10025 Jasper Ave NW
Edmonton AB T5J 1S6
Telephone: 780-638-2859
Facsimile: 780-415-1094

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Where were you reading about how to write an appeal and where do I send the appeal to?
I'm so sorry you didn't get a letter. :-(

Recommendations is call the provincial health minister and see what they can do to help you out. They might be able to figure out a way around it.
Contact your program and explain that you weren't able to obtain a SON and see if they are willing to sponsor a H1b and have you start late. Some programs might let you.
Contact ECFMG and see if there is any other options

Sorry, that's all I got.
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I'm so sorry you didn't get a letter. :-(

Recommendations is call the provincial health minister and see what they can do to help you out. They might be able to figure out a way around it.
Contact your program and explain that you weren't able to obtain a SON and see if they are willing to sponsor a H1b and have you start late. Some programs might let you.
Contact ECFMG and see if there is any other options

Sorry, that's all I got.
I'll try and call the provincial health minister on Monday. ECFMG was a dead end. All they asked was "are you a dual citizen?" Why would I call you if I was an American citizen also, smh. My program sponsors H1b, but I'm still in school so I can't take step 3 yet. The USA has also put a halt on the expedited processing which allows you to get a decision on your h1b in 15 days. Will be in contact with my program to see what my options are if I'm not able to get the statement of need eventually.
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Hey, got an email saying that I won't be receiving a statement of need, because the quota has already been filled for my speciality. I called that health Canada number that you provided and the lady said you can't appeal. Any guidance on how to appeal or how to move forward would be great.
This makes me sick to my stomach, and breaks my heart for you. If the appeal fails, I hope you try again next year. You already know you are a GOOD CANDIDATE because you matched! Get more experience, improve your CV, and match to an EVEN BETTER program next year, and send that darn application at 1:01pm EST.
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I just got the email stating that the application is within limits.
Pilot, hope that helps. I think IM applicants should be fine.
Hope you receive similar response soon.
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I just got the email stating that the application is within limits.
Pilot, hope that helps. I think IM applicants should be fine.
Hope you receive similar response soon.
When did you apply alberta?? Congrats so happy for u i hope i get it too
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Congrats alberta! To say that is a relief... is a massive understatement!
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Alberta, do you know how many spots are empty?
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thank you. I am not sure of the number of spots left. I had applied on monday. From the looks of it, I think IM applicants should be fine. fingers crossed.Good luck guys.
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LImit has been reached. I wont be getting a statement
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I am so sorry to hear that mk.
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Hi Mk, I am so sorry to hear that. Have you tried reaching out to your province contact?
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Yes, I also got. Thank you! Big relief
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Let me know if there is anyway I can help. So sorry again
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DRDKA: did you find anything on the appeal process? whom should we contact exactly
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DRDKA: did you find anything on the appeal process? whom should we contact exactly

Haven't posted enough to respond to private messages. My PD told me that this happened to someone in my program before. That person is supposed to contact me today or tomorrow about how he went about it. Will relay the information to you once I get that info.
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Please do. Thanks
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Let me know if there is anyway I can help. So sorry again
Did you contact teresa cheung ? The number listed for the program officer?
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Not as of yet, I've only called Health Canada so far and the Ontario Minister of Health to see if I can get a meeting with the minister of health.
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This is incredibly Scary! MK where did you match? If this J1 situation does not work out, talk to your program about a potential late start, while you study for step 3 in the meantime and hope the premium processing starts up again before july!
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Do not tell where is your spot. There is 10.000 IMGs in the pool waiting for your spot and as soon as you will say where is your position will send letter to your PD hoping to get your spot.
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I am in the same position. Was denied a SoN for IM. Been trying to get in touch with everyone I can to help me out. So far nothing has worked. Has anyone made any progress?
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I am in the same position. Was denied a SoN for IM. Been trying to get in touch with everyone I can to help me out. So far nothing has worked. Has anyone made any progress?

hey, send me a private message. In the process of trying to get a meeting with the ontario health minister.
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Of those whom are from Canada, there is a group on Facebook called the Society of Canadians Studying Medicine Abroad whom are active advocates for Canadian IMGs whom are going to the states to do residency. They recently requested some information from the government and I'm just going to copy and paste it below:

SOMBRE NEWS for Future Access to American Residency Training:

The Facts.

In July, 2015 shortly after Health Canada announced that their intention was to eliminate unlimited endorsements for certain disciplines, to eliminate access to fellowship training for physicians trained in the USA with a few limited exceptions, and to begin the process of reducing the number of endorsements for Statements of Needs generally, SOCASMA made an Access to Information request. The documents were not provided in the time required by legislation so it was necessary for us to appeal. We received the documents today, almost 2 years later. THE INFORMATION BELOW IS BASED ON DOCUMENTS THAT WERE GENERATED IN 2014 TO JULY 2015 when the current policy was being formulated.

The documents state that the plan is to reduce access to American residency training under the J-1 by reducing Statements of Needs that will be issued.

The stated object is to control the number of physicians to align with provincial health care planning.

To diffuse the anticipated outcry, the plan is to give some warning and reduce the numbers gradually. The plan reflected in these documents is to warn of future reductions in the 2016 match but to begin the cuts for the 2017 match.

Some provinces endorsed zero Statements of Needs for the 2016 match. These included Ontario, Alberta, and P.E.I.
British Columbia was the province that endorsed the most Statements of Needs.

Ontario proposed a more “succinct” list with limits on all specialties, with decreasing limits in subsequent years and a move towards zero endorsements. (In other words shutting down American training under J-1 visas.) [Statement of Need Process Review document, December 11, 2014].

Ontario writes in early 2015: “The hope is we can then move our provincial partners to zero in 2017 for most programs.”
This December 11, 2014 document provides the following “context” for substantial reduction of Statements of Needs:
a. Decreasing need for physicians across the country as many provinces fulfill their needs through domestic supply;
b. The majority of applicants are from Ontario but Ontario has very low needs for more physicians;
c. This Program is not an effective recruiting strategy for Canada;
d. Recognition that the J1 is a useful pathway for many CSAs;
e. The purpose of the Statement of Needs is to attest to the need in Canada.

Ontario states its commitment to “no exceptions” once the quota is reached.

Stock responses were prepared by Health Canada for expected communications from CSAs with the direction that it was unnecessary, and by implication undesirable. to answer all questions—“not necessary to address all elements”.

There is a stock answer to any requests for exceptions in the form of a denial including a form of denial if the request for exception is “escalated”. “[Health Canada or Name of Ministry] does not plan to make any exceptions.”

How the system works


The J1 visa is an educational exchange program governed by American law.

One of the American requirements of a J1 visa is that the home country must provide a Statement of Need stating that there is a need for the type of physician that will be training in the US.

The provinces, territories, and Health Canada formed a committee to determine policy and how many Statements of Needs should be issued. Each province and territory gives a list of the number of each discipline that they are prepared to endorse for Statements of Need. Health Canada adds up the numbers and posts this on its website in the List of Statements of Needs published each year.

The Statements of Needs are distributed on a first come, first served basis without regard to the province of the applicant. Thus even though Ontario endorses zero Statements of Needs, the majority of Statements of Need go to Ontario residents because the majority of CSAs come from Ontario.

Discussion and Analysis

When the J1 was originally introduced Canada issued Statements of Need (SONs) to anyone who asked as is the case in all developed countries (except Canada) to this day. In the 1990s, a fear of physician oversupply developed in Canada. Therefore Health Canada required a medical graduate seeking residency training in the US to get a letter from a prospective employer in order to be granted an SON. In the early 2000s the provincial/territory/federal committee began the current system of having a List.

It appears that we are moving back into the era of fear of oversupply of physicians despite physician shortages being reported across all of Canada and despite long and growing waiting lists.

The reality is that a significant amount of each province’s budget is spent on health care. The provinces seek to control the number of qualified physicians which controls public access to health care which controls health care expenditure.
“Need” is defined by what the government is prepared to spend on health care versus public need for health care.

This is a political issue. Most provinces seek to limit access to American residency training. But the most powerful force acting to shut down access to American training is in Ontario. Everyone should be concerned about this issue. What good is universal health care if you can’t access it?

The ray of hope in this is that a review of the 2017 and 2018 limits do not demonstrate the dramatic decreases planned in these documents and promoted by Ontario. The increases in dermatology and emergency medicine are meaningless as it is almost impossible to match to these programs. But the increase in family medicine is real and does reflect the intense need for family physicians in Canada. Internal medicine which is the most sought after discipline is decreasing. Link for List of Statements of Needs: http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/…/postgrad-…/...-liste-eng.php.

We intend to make a follow up request for Access to Information to see what each province is doing.

It is our understanding that the plan reflected in these documents is the current plan. When we have advocated for change, the response has been that the provinces, territories, and Health Canada are staying the course.

SOCASMA has been researching and developing strategies that can help CSAs. The executive of SOCASMA is comprised of parents and supporters resident in British Columbia. We advocate for CSAs across the country but if the doors to American residency are to stay open we need feet on the ground in each province, especially Ontario. We need help from parents and supporters who will organize and act. CSAs do not have the time it takes. If parents and supporters from other provinces are not prepared to work to fight for access to American residency training, access to American residency will continue to recede and perhaps even close. That is the current reality.

Currently, about twice as many CSAs train in the US as in Canada.

If you can’t get residency training, you won’t be licensed as a physician. Tell your parents and the people who care that we need their help to help you achieve your goals.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/socasma/posts/786833204819749
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I am in the same position. Was denied a SoN for IM. Been trying to get in touch with everyone I can to help me out. So far nothing has worked. Has anyone made any progress?
HI glucagonoma did you get your SON issue resolved?
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HI glucagonoma did you get your SON issue resolved?
I still have not been able to get the SoN. Approached my local MP who sent a letter to Health Canada and the MoH. No response from them yet. You have any suggestions?
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