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About graduation date

our collage put graduation date when we finish 6th year NOVEMBER 2009 BUT WE MUST attend a one year for internship march 2010 - march 2011

then they issued our medical diploma on march 2011 and give us a release request etc......

so when my graduation date .

its important to be a fresh graduate :eek:
 

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I agree

I agree with Goodboy here.
Your graduation date is the date written on your Diploma no matter how long were your internships or clerkships.
So you can start counting from the date on your diploma not from the date you entered the internships.
 

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look
your graduation date:day of finished your 6 year in december
but when ecfmg ask about date of diploma u write it after complete your intership
 

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your graduation date:day of finished your 6 year in december
but when ecfmg ask about date of diploma u write it after complete your intership
ok what about program director they consider me a fresh graduate or old

day of graduation after 6 year november 2009

internship year from march 2010 - march 2011

if i apply for 2012 match
 

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< 2 years is considered FRESH

ok what about program director they consider me a fresh graduate or old

day of graduation after 6 year november 2009

internship year from march 2010 - march 2011

if i apply for 2012 match
The Program Director will consider the year of graduation that you put in ERAS and in ECFMG correspondence which is the date in your Diploma.
Anything less than 2 years after graduation is considered fresh graduate.
 

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The Program Director will consider the year of graduation that you put in ERAS and in ECFMG correspondence which is the date in your Diploma.
Anything less than 2 years after graduation is considered fresh graduate.
thats mean in november 2009 and they will not consider internship year even if its mandatory in our collage but sabio check this link you told that person

the graduation date is when your diploma issued

my graduation in diploma 2009 but it will be issued in march 2011

check this sabio
http://www.usmle-forums.com/ecfmg-forum/4477-graduation-date-please-help.html
 

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It's the same advice!

thats mean in november 2009 and they will not consider internship year even if its mandatory in our collage but sabio check this link you told that person

the graduation date is when your diploma issued

my graduation in diploma 2009 but it will be issued in march 2011

check this sabio
http://www.usmle-forums.com/ecfmg-forum/4477-graduation-date-please-help.html
I don't see any discrepancy between that thread and this thread.
Sabio is telling you that your graduation date is the date written on your Diploma in both of the threads!
 

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Let's do it again

Dear kemo,
This is getting complicated.
Can you please post your question again. Please be specific as to what you want to know exactly and we'll try to answer you.
 

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Here's my question again

Dear kemo,
This is getting complicated.
Can you please post your question again. Please be specific as to what you want to know exactly and we'll try to answer you.
our collage graduation date when we finish 6th year NOVEMBER 2009 BUT WE MUST attend a one year for internship march 2010 - march 2011

then they issued our medical diploma on march 2011 and give us a release request etc......

so when my graduation date .???? march 2010 or november 2009

2) what fresh graduate ?? how many years to be fresh

thanks in advanced
 

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our collage graduation date when we finish 6th year NOVEMBER 2009 BUT WE MUST attend a one year for internship march 2010 - march 2011

then they issued our medical diploma on march 2011 and give us a release request etc......

so when my graduation date .???? march 2010 or November 2009

2) what fresh graduate ?? how many years to be fresh

thanks in advanced
Your graduation date is March 2011 (The date on your Diploma). This is the graduation date you will use with any correspondence with the ECFMG or later on residency programs or any other official US institute.

What constitutes fresh graduate?
No single rule. Every program has different criteria. Generally speaking less than three years (which means before March 2014 in your case) is considered fresh graduate.
I refer you to this post http://www.usmle-forums.com/general-topics-forum/5227-what-definition-old-img.html#post21666
 

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Your graduation date is March 2011 (The date on your Diploma). This is the graduation date you will use with any correspondence with the ECFMG or later on residency programs or any other official US institute.

What constitutes fresh graduate?
No single rule. Every program has different criteria. Generally speaking less than three years (which means before March 2014 in your case) is considered fresh graduate.
I refer you to this post http://www.usmle-forums.com/general-topics-forum/5227-what-definition-old-img.html#post21666
thanks step taker but the problem is our collage write november 2009 in our diploma ( although it issued in march 2011 )

and give us another separate certificate for internship ( march 2011)
 

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How many dates are on your Diploma?

thanks step taker but the problem is our collage write november 2009 in our diploma ( although it issued in march 2011 )

and give us another separate certificate for internship ( march 2011)
So how many dates are there in your Diploma?
Will they be saying issued on March 2011 and then they say you graduated in November 2009!!
Also what do they mention in the transcript? do they mention the internship year in the transcript?
 

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So how many dates are there in your Diploma?
Will they be saying issued on March 2011 and then they say you graduated in November 2009!!
Also what do they mention in the transcript? do they mention the internship year in the transcript?
I have separate paper from my collage said that our medical diploma will be issued in march 2011
but in transcript and diploma they write graduate november 2009
and they mentioned that he must attend one year for internship without mention any dates.
we have another separate certificate for internship
I know its complicated (but this is our stupid system in my collage) because of that I am confused
 

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So then it's November 2009

I have separate paper from my collage said that our medical diploma will be issued in march 2011
but in transcript and diploma they write graduate november 2009
and they mentioned that he must attend one year for internship without mention any dates.
we have another separate certificate for internship
I know its complicated (but this is our stupid system in my collage) because of that I am confused
So in that case we are back to square one again. Whatever date is written on your Diploma and your transcript is the date of your graduation and in this case it's November 2009.
The ECFMG will not understand or even try to understand your situation. All what they'll see is the date of graduation written in your Diploma and transcript.
 

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so abt elective/externship


so after nov 2009 he is graduate

but when he apply to the hospital for electives after nov 2009 and before he recieves his transcript how will they know that if he is graduated or not

he can just say that he still student so by that he can get elective and not externship

and another thing if the college issued temp certficate will ecfmg consider this paper and start the process of the verification with the college and change the status to graduate considering the authentication of this temp certificate from the college and US Embassy
 

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so abt elective/externship

so after nov 2009 he is graduate

but when he apply to the hospital for electives after nov 2009 and before he recieves his transcript how will they know that if he is graduated or not

he can just say that he still student so by that he can get elective and not externship

and another thing if the college issued temp certficate will ecfmg consider this paper and start the process of the verification with the college and change the status to graduate considering the authentication of this temp certificate from the college and US Embassy
Yes he can apply to electives as long as he's not holding the Diploma in his hands.
As for your other thing, No, the ECFMG does not recognize temporary certificates.
 

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IT IS CLEAR THAT YOU ARE EGYPTIAN... here, schools of medicine say clearly that official graduation date is November or December.. there are 2 certificates.. the first indicates clearly that you have graduated from medical school and usually issued 2 to 3 months after official date of graduation i.e.it is issued January or February of the following year.. it is issued whether you get your one-year internship or not... they mention in it that "you have graduated but you have to complete one-year internship to be licensed to practice medicine in Egypt" It's a domestic law and not necessarily works overseas! THEY MEAN YOU CAN NOT PRACTICE MEDICINE in Egypt WITHOUT SUPERVISION UNTILL YOU FINISH ONE-YEAR INTERNSHIP.
the second certificate certifies that you have finished one-year internship.. it is not related to graduation certificate as it can even got from any governmental hospital ( not necessarily university-affiliated) in Egypt! it's value is to make you get license to practice medicine independently in Egypt. So your Date of graduation for ECFMG as Steptaker said is November. after this date you are not "undergraduate Student".
 

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@ step taker yes you are totally right you can apply for elective as under graduate because your diploma is not issued yet and i tried it personally

and they accept my paper but it was too late for me i did not know this issue

except before few months .... i will finish my internship within month

@ athman yes you can apply for elective for sure

@ mahganem you r right but i cannot practice medicine even in syria ( i am syrian ) or saudi arabia or canada all of them need original paper and internship certificate which only issued on march 2011 after internship year .


thank u all guys and specially steptaker

this is actually a problem for us from our beloved college they waste our time :mad:
 
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