Question 21 in ECFMG Online Application (Clinical Clerkships)

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poonam

Discussion Starter · Jul 16, 2010

I am filling my on line application to appear for step 1..but I have got a query regarding Item 21 which asks us for our clinical clerkships...does that requires me to provide information regarding my all clinical postings from starting till end that is from my second year till my final year or does it require just the rotations I am having as post graduate intern or does it require both?..am applying as a student as am done with only 6 months of my 1 year compulsory pre graduate internship...please guide me ...

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Sabio

· #2 · Jul 16, 2010

It depends ...

This question is about any clerkships that you have done (outside) your in campus core curriculum.

Any "clinical" units that you have mentioned in your medical school transcript is not considered as a clerkship and should not be included in item 21 of the online application.

There are medical schools which send their students outside their campus for clinical training (Caribbean Medical Schools for example). The ECFMG is looking particularly for these rotations. otherwise, anything that is in your educational curriculum and is include in your transcript you don't need to include it.

This issue has also been previously discussed here
http://www.usmle-forums.com/ecfmg-forum/1168-ecfmg-clerkship.html

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good_boy_1234

· #3 · Nov 9, 2010

Sabio said:
There are medical schools which send their students outside their campus for clinical training (Caribbean Medical Schools for example). The ECFMG is looking particularly for these rotations. otherwise, anything that is in your educational curriculum and is include in your transcript you don't need to include it.

I am International medical student but not Caribbean...If my university allowed to take the Surgery/sub-surgery clerkship (not core clerkship) that is a part of my medical curriculum education in USA, but there would not be anything on the transcript indicates that I took it in USA....So is this curricular or extracurricular? Where to describe it in ECFMG & CAF ?
suppose that there are other clinical rotations took in USA but mentioned on the transcript as "elective"....are these rotations same with the above rotation??

I fear that If they are not listed/mentioned beside each other that programs may miss some of my experience

Thanks in advance

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lee-usmle

· #4 · Nov 9, 2010

good_boy_1234 said:
I am International medical student but not Caribbean...If my university allowed to take the Surgery/sub-surgery clerkship (not core clerkship) that is a part of my medical curriculum education in USA, but there would not be anything on the transcript indicates that I took it in USA....So is this curricular or extracurricular? Where to describe it in ECFMG & CAF ?
suppose that there are other clinical rotations took in USA but mentioned on the transcript as "elective"....are these rotations same with the above rotation??

I fear that If they are not listed/mentioned beside each other that programs may miss some of my experience

Thanks in advance

Anything mentioned in the transcript is considered clerkship and you have to tell the ECFMG about in the ECFMG online application.
Anything not mentioned in the transcript you can tell about in the common application form in ERAS as a form of experience whether it's before or after you graduate, it does not matter, what matter is what's written in the transcript.

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dr.aisha

· #5 · Jul 2, 2011

help

hello, i am IMG,i did my graduation in 2005. after date i worked as house officer in internal medicine and ophthalmology.... 6months each. then i worked as registrar nephrology for 2yrs,now for last 2yrs i am working as a registrar cardiology...... this all will be a clinical clerkship???????
plz reply. i have proper documentation of all my work
regards

dr.aisha

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StepTaker

· #6 · Jul 2, 2011

dr.aisha said:
hello, i am IMG,i did my graduation in 2005. after date i worked as house officer in internal medicine and ophthalmology.... 6months each. then i worked as registrar nephrology for 2yrs,now for last 2yrs i am working as a registrar cardiology...... this all will be a clinical clerkship???????
plz reply. i have proper documentation of all my work
regards

dr.aisha

That would fit into job experience rather than clerkships. Clerkships are designated for medical students, not graduates.

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val7

· #7 · Oct 24, 2012

I am really confused now! According to Sabio, we should not mention clerkships that are in our transcript.
But lee-usmle says exactly the opposite! So which is it? What should I mention in Question 21? Please help!

Sabio said:
Any "clinical" units that you have mentioned in your medical school transcript is not considered as a clerkship and should not be included in item 21 of the online application.
There are medical schools which send their students outside their campus for clinical training (Caribbean Medical Schools for example). The ECFMG is looking particularly for these rotations. otherwise, anything that is in your educational curriculum and is include in your transcript you don't need to include it.

lee-usmle said:
Anything mentioned in the transcript is considered clerkship and you have to tell the ECFMG about in the ECFMG online application.
Anything not mentioned in the transcript you can tell about in the common application form in ERAS as a form of experience whether it's before or after you graduate, it does not matter, what matter is what's written in the transcript.

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val7

· #8 · Oct 24, 2012

Also, does it matter where I did the clerkship? My own school vs. a different hospital vs. in the US?

thanks for your help!

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fizA

· #9 · May 10, 2013

same problem.....

2in )after graduation we have to do a year long HOUSE JOB which includes rotations in various disciplines . I followed a fondation programme.six months medicine and allied
six months surgery and allied.it includes patient doctor contact , handling, and night duties.

DO I HAVE TO INCLUDE THIS IN CLINICAL CLERKSHIP EXPERIENCE?
DO I NEED TO INCLUDE THE WARDS THAT I ATTENDED THROUGH 3RD TO FINALYEAR IN CLERKSHIP AS WELL?

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asma aqib08

· #10 · Jan 7, 2014

fizA said:
2in )after graduation we have to do a year long HOUSE JOB which includes rotations in various disciplines . I followed a fondation programme.six months medicine and allied
six months surgery and allied.it includes patient doctor contact , handling, and night duties.

DO I HAVE TO INCLUDE THIS IN CLINICAL CLERKSHIP EXPERIENCE?
DO I NEED TO INCLUDE THE WARDS THAT I ATTENDED THROUGH 3RD TO FINALYEAR IN CLERKSHIP AS WELL?

i have same question should i include house job(6month medicine and 6 months gyne obs )in clerkship option or shall i write my clinical rotations from 3rd year to final year
what about internship what should i write for that i am IMG from pakistan we had clinical rotations from 3rd year till final year is this i need to mention for internship option

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ssushi

· #11 · Jul 3, 2014

Hi there!

I'm trying to fill out form 186 and have a question abt item 21. I know this has been discussed a lot but I keep getting conflicting replies. So just wanted to make sure..

1. Do I need to mention all the rotations I have gone through during 3rd yr of med school? These are included in my med school curriculum

2. Do observerships count as clerkships?

Thanks!

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kasturiemmanuel1

· #12 · Feb 7, 2016

What is Other institutions attended in Step1 application

hi guys..what should I add in "Other institutions attended"..some say that I should enter my work experience..So should I enter my work experience in step1 application or its not needed..please suggest

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